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It's all still hearsay at the moment, regarding the score. If it's true, I can only guess that they're trying to save money by not hiring a new composer.

 

I've been thinking, regarding a score for a Punisher movie, I would have wanted a sort of horror movie vibe to it mixed in with some militaristic drumming. Make it fucking scary.

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I would've gotten Sonic Fuel. The guys who did THQ's Punisher game back in '05. That was wonderfulllllll.

 

 

 

Tim - I'm happy to hear you say that about the score for the movie. I actually was pretty fond of Franke's Universal Soldier score. Especially during the chase sequence along. I suggest you rent the movie and watch it again to hear the film and just watch Dolph be a badass.

 

Take a gander here for a sample of Dolph in the movie.....

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=skBLsChJ54s

 

Enjoy

 

-Raffi

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Ok Street.

 

Decompress. Take a nap. Light some candles before you watch the "R" Trailer on IGN.

 

Once you've done that though, I hope you can explain something to me...

 

"But understand this too. I'm not going to be able to base a real opinion about this movie from quick clips and trailers. I can tell you if it excites me or not, but the jury is out until we see these things in the context of the film itself. That's the way it is for me anyway. And not just Warzone, ANY movie."

 

If that TRULY is the way you feel about Trailers and quick clips, why did you automatically decide JUST from watching the many Trailers released for it, NOT to watch Spider Man 3?

 

-Don't tell me its because people told you it was shit.

 

-Don't tell me its because you felt Spider Man 2 wasn't that impressive - compared to Warzone its fuckin white gold.

 

You passed judgment on Spider Man 3 before seeing it, based on the Trailers you saw. You chose to skip it based on those Trailers.

 

I'm not asking you to review Warzone.

 

I'm asking you to have a genuine opinion on what we've seen.

 

What WE HAVE ALL seen.

 

And Street - WE have an opinion.

 

I'm asking you whether or not [based on the footage] you are "excited" to go see it.

 

-TL

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Ok Street.

 

Decompress. Take a nap. Light some candles before you watch the "R" Trailer on IGN.

 

Should I go for scented candles or just the non scented kind?

 

Once you've done that though, I hope you can explain something to me...

 

"But understand this too. I'm not going to be able to base a real opinion about this movie from quick clips and trailers. I can tell you if it excites me or not, but the jury is out until we see these things in the context of the film itself. That's the way it is for me anyway. And not just Warzone, ANY movie."

 

If that TRULY is the way you feel about Trailers and quick clips, why did you automatically decide JUST from watching the many Trailers released for it, NOT to watch Spider Man 3?

 

Whatever I said I think my mind was made up not to see it at the B.O. even before the trailer. It was just not something I was that interested in.

I rented it but fell asleep. Not because I wasn't into watching it at that point but because I was exhausted. Never did get to finish it. I'll have to go rent it again.

But the plain simple truth is that I thought S1 was fun, S2 was OK but I wasn't blown away. I thought Molina was great and the FX were cool, but it didn't wow me. S3 just seemed like overkill. If one person I respected (opinion-wise) would have told me it was something special I'd have likely tried to see it. But that didn't happen. I'd just had an assfull of blockbuster popcorn fare and I was more inclined to see something like The Ninth Gate. The trailer only confirmed this for me.

 

-Don't tell me its because people told you it was shit.

 

Nope.

 

-Don't tell me its because you felt Spider Man 2 wasn't that impressive - compared to Warzone its fuckin white gold.

 

Naw, but I kinda had my fill with S2. I'm also not that big of a Spidey fan. I like Spidey, but he's never been in my top 10.

Since my daughter was born my flick watching capacity at the theater has been reduced, so I am forced to be selective.

You know what I absolutely loved though? That fucking cool as shit poster that was Venom until you started to walk past it and then it turned to Spidey.

Great poster.

 

You passed judgment on Spider Man 3 before seeing it, based on the Trailers you saw. You chose to skip it based on those Trailers.

 

No, not entirely TL. As I said, it only confirmed for me that I really wasn't that interested. The judgement I passed was simply deciding that I could wait for video. How I may choose to interpret that in a Podcast is predicated on how I feel at the spur of the moment and doesn't really explain the entire motivation.

 

I'm not asking you to review Warzone.

 

I'm asking you to have a genuine opinion on what we've seen.

 

The way you phrased the earlier statement suggested to me that I should clarify my thoughts. Or maybe I misinterpreted your meaning.

 

What WE HAVE ALL seen.

 

And Street - WE have an opinion.

 

OK, you have an opinion . . . of course you have an opinion . . . Are you suggesting that I'm reticent to give mine because I have yet to comment on it?

I'm a busy dude and I will comment on it once I've looked at it a few more times. Just haven't had the opportunity yet mate ;)

 

I'm asking you whether or not [based on the footage] you are "excited" to go see it.

 

"I can tell you if it excites me or not."

That is precisely what I intend to do Thomas.

- TB

 

-TL

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I would've gotten Sonic Fuel. The guys who did THQ's Punisher game back in '05. That was wonderfulllllll.

 

-Raffi

 

That was a really good theme for the game.

 

Also, something like Jonny Greenwood's There Will Be Blood score (with militaristic drumming, of course), would just kick ass.

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Yeah from what I hear, Lexi approached LGF with a 150 page script that had a very dramatic feel to it.

 

I remember hearing Larry David was gonna executive produce and Seinfeld himself was gonna boost up distribution funds.

 

Newman was gonna be the primary antagonist filling in for Bania, who dropped out do to personal issues.

 

They had a $75 Million budget and very much needed it with the film set to be shot in Manhattan.

 

LGF started getting cheap, so they wanted to use Montreal and Vancouver to double for NYC.

 

-TL

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-Don't tell me its because people told you it was shit.

 

-Don't tell me its because you felt Spider Man 2 wasn't that impressive - compared to Warzone its fuckin white gold.

 

You passed judgment on Spider Man 3 before seeing it, based on the Trailers you saw. You chose to skip it based on those Trailers.

 

Oh man, not a good example. Spider-Man 3 looked like ass right from the get-go. Only the foolhearty went to see it, and they paid a dear price for it. Tobey Maquire dancing as "dark Peter" almost drove me to suicide.

 

:P

 

TL's ball busting posts made my birthday a little brighter though. I bet even Frank Castle likes pumpkin pie.

 

Njc---------

 

 

 

 

 

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I only eat pumpkin pie during Thanksgiving. Have you guys ever had pumpkin pie cheesecake? It's pretty good. I'm not much of a desert person. I can always pass on the sweets no problem. Only time I have a tiny bit is during the holidays.

 

We should make a pumpkin pie thread. ;) Just kidding.

 

 

pumpkin_pie.jpg

 

 

-Raffi

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heheh.

 

I've got to assume that Castle actually digs a scoop of Marble Slab Creamery's seasonal Pumpkin spice flavored ice cream, mixed with the sweet vanilla it's a real nice treat after a hard days killin' of child pornographers, white slavers, thugs, rapists, and murderers. They should do special edition Punisher skull Jack-O-Lantern promotion.

 

- tb

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You know what I'm finding kind of funny. Looking at the villains from this movie and the last one, who would have thought Dominic West would be the one (it would seem) to be chewing scenery and Travolta sort of reigning it in.

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X-Men Origins: Wolverine -

 

FUCK YES!

 

Warzone violence clip trailer/Ramallah -

 

Ray really built this up for me. He was mondo excited.

I'm not 17 anymore so I am not too much a fan of bands like Ramallah.

I wasn't a fan of bands like that when I was 17.

Vocals are too rough from the gut for me to access. It's why I never really got into bands like Venom and the speed metal stuff.

I'm sure they are great dudes, and they have their legions of fans, I'm just not among them.

Maybe they will convert me ;)

As for the IFC connection, I'm not too big a fan of that either so when these demographic elements come into play I'm going to be behind the eight ball from the standpoint of sensibilities. My sensibilities lie elsewhere, and heavy nu-metal soundtracks are not in the curriculum.

 

You guys have heard me bitch about this in the past with the whole "Bodies hit the floor" rant.

I wasn't a fan of it on the original Punisher trailer/soundtrack either.

 

Fair enough, they are not marketing this film for guys my age.

But I gotta say, I love metal, just make it metal I can listen to.

Oh to have had Tool or A Perfect Circle, or some older, thick Monster Magnet ripping across those images.

Or Fireball Ministry!!

Maybe it's that in the context of the clip we're already seeing some pretty hardcore violence. To emphasize that, even glorify it further is overkill to me.

I am not of the video game generation. I'm sure that seems obvious ;)

 

As for the film clip edits -

I loved the desaturated look to a lot of it. The scratches and dirt were cool in the context of this trailer but I doubt that we'll see any of that in the movie.

Black and white shots? Superfuckingcool. Gainer lit this film like a motherfucker. He used great slabs of black in his vision and it plays fantastically in black and white.

Great contrasts. Love to see them do a Mist move and have a B+W version of the film on the DVD. Probably won't happen though.

As I mentioned, a lot of the color seems toned down on this and I love it. I don't mind the magentas and purples in the night club, it's a night club for God sakes ;)

Frank's lair looks badass. The aquamarine/blue colors and thick air are right on. A bit fancy maybe but I cannot deny that the lighting and color grabs me.

There are walls in this clip that look just like several of my covers, desatched green painted walls all chipped and weather damaged, cracks and spots you can see through the paint to the plaster. Production designer did a lot of that very well. I'm geeked to see that stuff.

The violence is pretty rough. I myself don't necessarily need to see all of that lumped into a quick edit clip in order to understand the film's direction.

However, I can see why they did it, especially in time for Comicon. Whether the critics like it or not you can bet that anyone between the ages of 13 and 30 thought it was spectacular. When I was younger I never agreed with critics anyway. Most of them were too old and uptight to embrace the things I loved.

But the critics are younger these days too. I think it's all timing. Maybe had we seen this clip 2-3 months ago they'd have been all over it to the positive.

Who knows. I think our perception is a bit tainted at this stage because of the concurrent intel on Alexander.

 

Does it make me excited to see the film? Not more so then where I sat before. I know we are still missing a lot.

It does confirm the brutality of the film which Lexi talked about. The 18 year old kid inside me loved seeing Castle punch through a dude's face.

 

This film will be what it is. I hopefully will enjoy it for that.

But it seems very obvious that this is not the film Jane hoped for which is also what I hoped for. . .

It's a rated R movie for kids, not a rated R movie for adults (which kids would gravitate towards too, just like Taxi Driver, just like dozens of other rated R films made for adults that kids have to beg, borrow, or steal to see).

 

I'm still going, and I hope I'm in for a surprise.

 

- TB

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I love metal a lot from from thrash to death and even off into a little bit of grindcore. But that music really was wrong, like you said Tool would have been great to hear or something like Isis (the song "Collapse and Crush" would have pretty cool to hear), that sort of slow tempo low sounding type of metal, that gives off a real feeling of impending doom.

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Understand what I mean though, Just because I don't dig it (the music) per se doesn't mean I'm condemning it.

Just my own personal feelings.

 

Music is a VERY important cog.

If I was making my own films the music would be just as important as anything else.

I love Carlo Silliotto's score to the Punisher, just not really for the film. I like it by itself.

As a director or music supervisor I would want to work very closely to that appendage.

I'd be prepared with dozens upon dozens of cues that I feel are right for the material, then work with a composer best able to come near to that mark yet put his/her own spin on it. Choosing the right composer is immensely important, and the cues I choose would have a direct impact on selecting the artist.

In a sense, I'm hearing these other cues and themes interpreted by the artist I'm aiming for, knowing (or at least having a good idea) what that person would do, the directions they would go, the way they would expand upon certain things, all the while focusing on the feel of my temp music, never stealing it.

It's mood, setting, character, action, agony . . . The music has to fit the visuals, compliment them and enhance the experience.

 

I'd want to be a big part of the process. A director's vision should never be limited to shooting an editing a film.

Unless they suck with the music part ;)

 

 

 

- Tb

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I need DISTRUBED on the soundtrack and I will be happy. LOVE MONSTER MAGNET BTW street and the Reverend still tops my list of male vocalists.

 

TL, I think Travolta is the person that most commonly forgets that he is a good actor...and we still don't know that Lexi was "fucked over".

 

And Street, we stole copies of "Aliens" as kids and "Predator", not "Taxi Driver". Love the film, but not what I wanted as a kid. Maybe a generation gap? :P

 

TOM,

 

EXCELLENT PRAISE FOR RAY. I hope he doesn't join you in disappointment over Castle. For what it's worth, which probably isn't two squirts of piss, I'm glad you walked away from the film. I'm sure ANYTHING we get from War Zone will be leaps and bounds ahead of the shitpile they handed you for a sequel...no matter how bad it is.

 

 

 

Fred

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I was probably 13 when I saw Taxi Driver, and I loved it. But growing up I was watching movies like From Beyond and Night of the Creeps (which is the best Fred Dekker movie, fuck The Monster Squad). It's bullshit Creeps still doesn't have a DVD release.

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