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These are the films opening on the same day, 05 December. Doesn't look like much to me that would draw the same audience.

 

• Milk (about the Harvey Milk killing in San Francisco years ago)

• Punisher: War Zone

• Extreme Movie (teen sex comedy)

• Frost/Nixon (limited) (limited, and not the same audience at all)

• Mei Lanfang (limited) (limited, and a bio of China's greatest opera star, not the same audience)

• Collide (action flic, but even IMDB has nothing about the story and I never heard of anybody who's in it)

• Captive (New York City, New York) (only opening in NYC? This is about the Chechen/Russian war)

 

I hope Frost/Nixon isn't TOO limited. I might have a go at that one.

 

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/frost-nixon/trailer

 

(I guess I'm not the same audience at all. I like to leave a theater with my brain cells still able to function.)

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OK, I went and dug up the quote:

My beef with this idealogy was that it would NOT be like having Vic Makey or Ray Liotta if she made a realistic film. Frank Castle is nothing like either of them. He's very different. The comparison bothers me because it shows - in my opinion - she doesn't know who Frank Castle is to begin with if she feels this way.

 

I had forgotten about the end of the quote though, and really, I could not disagree MORE with this part:

It would please the comic book fans beyond words if she had created a starkly realistic and well written crime story for the Punisher. That shit just worries me.

 

But to be fair, TL is right, she didn't have the time to do this between taking the job, and the film going into production. A page 1 rewrite was not possible. Well, if they'd called me or TL it would have been.

 

;)

 

HA!

 

And that is one of the reasons why I still think she was the wrong person to do this movie.

 

That Vic Mackey remark was a total attempt at a dig toward Kurt Sutter for his comments about the script on his blog. That's what's kinda surprising, cause The Shield is a fucking great crime show, and the fact that his Punisher script apparently stunk so much is weird.

 

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If you want anything positive on Punisher: War Zone, you need to be going someplace else. PWZ gets no love here. Try IMDB.

 

If the film isn't butchered on post, Adam, you'll see a three-dimensional Frank Castle. Ray Stevenson "gets" Frank Castle.

 

These are the films opening on the same day, 05 December. Doesn't look like much to me that would draw the same audience.

 

• Milk (about the Harvey Milk killing in San Francisco years ago)

• Punisher: War Zone

• Extreme Movie (teen sex comedy)

• Frost/Nixon (limited) (limited, and not the same audience at all)

• Mei Lanfang (limited) (limited, and a bio of China's greatest opera star, not the same audience)

• Collide (action flic, but even IMDB has nothing about the story and I never heard of anybody who's in it)

• Captive (New York City, New York) (only opening in NYC? This is about the Chechen/Russian war)

 

I don't know about you all, but I see very little here to worry about. Fans of Bond will already have flooded the theatres, Twilight will be huge but is a film for teen girls and young women. A lot of the films Tim mentioned don't share the same, or even similar, audiences. Madagascar???

 

I think Punisher War Zone has a SWEET opening day! So far, at least.

 

Nomad

 

Hey - there is not a thing at all wrong with being optimistic ;)

I'm just saying there is tough box office competition all around.

Madagascar may be a kids film but it will still be sucking kids and parents to the theater.

Casino Royale did this in 2006 -

 

Opening weekend - $40,833,156 (Domestically)

Week 2 - $53,220,502

Week 3 - $21,822,366

Week 4 - $13,144,058

 

In 2004 The Punisher's opening weekend was $13,834,527

Casino Royale's 4th week did very nearly as much business as The Punisher's opening weekend.

So I say yes, Quantum Of Solace will still be competing with Warzone on December 5th.

 

Make of that what you will.

 

I don't think it matters so much that there isn't another revenge flick or comic book film opening the same weekend.

Maybe you miss my point. I was only saying that a film like The Mist failed miserably in the Holiday release corridor.

There was no real horror competition then either. And The Mist had the benefit of having names like Stephen King and Frank Darabont attached to it.

Enchanted killed The Mist, and it was also out done opening weekend by August Rush and this had nothing to do with genre competition.

 

I could be completely wrong in my hunch that Warzone's holiday release will effect it's box office. I'm not saying I'm Kreskin ;)

But the Amazing Criswell inside of me is telling me that a Holiday release for the ultra violent Warzone may backfire, especially with so many other big studio films opening in that 7-8 week HOLIDAY window.

 

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm just saying that it will be tough. Much tougher than if it had opened in September as originally planned.

 

- TB

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I Am Legend was a pretty dark movie, it open in December last year, but that had Will fucking Smith. And then there was Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the ultra violent quasi sequel/reboot to a previously titled film and it bombed. I'd say War Zone: Punisher would have had a better chance had they kept it in September.
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I Am Legend was a pretty dark movie, it open in December last year, but that had Will fucking Smith. And then there was Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the ultra violent quasi sequel/reboot to a previously titled film and it bombed.

 

Yep, Take Will Smith out of the I Am Legend equation and I'd bet it wouldn't have done half the business, if that.

 

I'd say War Zone: Punisher would have had a better chance had they kept it in September.

 

Dude, ANYWHERE but the Holiday season or against another big Comic film.

 

- TB

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He honestly didn't have the time to go into negotiations with that.

 

Jane left in late May, Lexi came in at the end of July, Stevenson was in by September, pre-pro began in October and Production began in December.

 

-TL

Where do you get these things, Thomas? Your chronology is way off. If Lexi produced a Punisher draft dated 27 June, how is it you think she came on board at the end of July? You think production began in December? Dude, it was OVER then!

 

Here's what really happened.

 

Ray arrived in L.A. on 03 July, 2007. Within two weeks, he was signed to do The Punisher and moved into Pat Johnson's home for training, six days a week. He did this until early October, when he moved to Montreal. Filming began on 22 October and went through about 15 December. Later for some folks. Pre-production began immediately in July. You think a film needs only two months of "pre pro" as you so catchily call it? *rolls eyes*

 

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I think part of The Mist's lacking box office and the same with Grindhouse's (though length was a big factor as well) was THE Holiday. The Mist was Thanksgiving, Grindhouse was Easter. I'm just guessing here, but I'm willing to bet that most people on those holidays are going to go see a family friendly film so they can still share the Holiday together. Chirstmas, on the other hand, has the benifit of lengthy school breaks for college and high school. Darker films are perfect for getting out of a house filled with "Holiday Cheer" and Grandparents and other relatives you don't see that much.

 

I could be wrong, but that's my theory. Maybe Warzone should come out a week or two later.

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They should have released it the last week of September, or the first week of October. I know on it's original release date, it would have had to compete with Righteous Kill, which stars both Al Pacino and Robert De Niro. I think it would have done worse there, then where it is now, but where it is now, it's hard to say.

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Hi everyone, I'm new here. Been reading all this Punisher stuff for a while now though. Opinions seem pretty polarised eh?

 

Suppose I should state my position...

 

First of all I wasn't a big fan of the 04 Punisher, I was kinda 50/50 on it. Some scenes, especially where they borrowed straight from the comics were pretty decent, but a lot of it felt really bad. I didn't like the creation of the character one bit, and in the end I can't really say I liked Tom Jane in the role either. I really like him as an actor (Loved Stander and The Mist in particular), but he just didnt give me the vibe I was hoping for.

 

Anyway, you can't please all the people all the time.

 

I was pretty stoked when I heard Ray had got the role for PWZ, his performance made Rome for me and I knew then that this was a guy I'd like to see do more. But when I saw the first trailer I pretty much lost my interest in it.

Then this redband trailer came out. Now I know that if you dont like heavy metal that it can seriously effect you opinion of this (lol) But I honestly was blown away with the level of punishment on display. Ok, some scenes (fat man blowing his top, chandalier gun ballet) look pure cheese. But I can handle a bit of chees if the aggresion is of the level shown in the latest trailer. Thats what i'm looking for from a Punisher movie, an awful lot of bodybags. One thing that really stood out was the intensity and the grim efficiency that Ray brings to the role, I think it was really absent in the Tom Jane version.

 

I can't say whether this is gonna be a good movie or not, its had a rough time getting going. Theres been a lot of talk about a dodgy script, Dominic West being less than serious about his role, bickering over the production, sackings, honeymoons, etc.

BUT I damn well intend to give it the benefit of the doubt!

 

Heres a story, when Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker in TDK a mate of mine was appalled, seriously condemning the film to oblivion! When he saw the makeup he almost lost the plot. He then spent far too much time telling everyone else how much we were all gonna hate the film before it was released. Thing is once the film came out he had a hard time appreciating it because he built up such emotional barriers based on his initial misgivings.

 

The moral of the story? Don't pass judgement before you get the full picture, it can ruin your appreciation of the final product (and seriously piss off your mates!).

 

One last thing, Theres been a few posts here from people who claim to work as either an actor, or screenwriters, or whatever, and to hear them class others as a NOBODY, or JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY is offensive. I'm pretty sure none of the individuals posting has a high degree of comercial success, but I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't like to be referred to as a NOBODY either.

 

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One last thing, Theres been a few posts here from people who claim to work as either an actor, or screenwriters, or whatever, and to hear them class others as a NOBODY, or JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY is offensive. I'm pretty sure none of the individuals posting has a high degree of comercial success, but I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't like to be referred to as a NOBODY either.

 

AMEN!!!

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One last thing, Theres been a few posts here from people who claim to work as either an actor, or screenwriters, or whatever, and to hear them class others as a NOBODY, or JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY is offensive. I'm pretty sure none of the individuals posting has a high degree of comercial success, but I'm also pretty sure that they wouldn't like to be referred to as a NOBODY either.

 

Listen here "mate".

 

If you're gonna come in here and attempt to impose your edited wisdom and code of honor on me, turn the fuck around cause YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

 

You think its "offensive" that I class others as "nobodies"???

 

You think its "offensive" that I say some people do GARBAGE movies "just for the money"???

 

Let's just say the one thing that bothers me the most is when some politically correct humanitarian (edited) comes into my parts to try and make himself feel bigger by making an (edited) IDIOTIC point.

 

The moral of the story is if you're gonna state your position on something, DON'T do it to fuck with ONE person INDIRECTLY.

 

JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY (edited).

 

Did I "claim" to write that???

 

No, its there.

 

-TL

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Listen here "mate".

 

If you're gonna come in here and attempt to impose your edited wisdom and code of honor on me, turn the fuck around cause YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

 

You think its "offensive" that I class others as "nobodies"???

 

You think its "offensive" that I say some people do GARBAGE movies "just for the money"???

 

Let's just say the one thing that bothers me the most is when some politically correct humanitarian (edited) comes into my parts to try and make himself feel bigger by making an (edited) IDIOTIC point.

 

The moral of the story is if you're gonna state your position on something, DON'T do it to fuck with ONE person INDIRECTLY.

 

JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY (edited).

 

Did I "claim" to write that???

 

No, its there.

 

-TL

 

Once again welcoming newcomers with your amazing charm and good graces.

 

You can be a GIANT ASS!

 

And as a NOBODY myself, I can say that I'm personally offended at your claims that someone has no talent because they don't have a lengthy resume.

 

I guess that makes me a (edited) as well.

 

Fred

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Listen here "mate".

 

If you're gonna come in here and attempt to impose your dicksmoking wisdom and code of honor on me, turn the fuck around cause YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

 

You think its "offensive" that I class others as "nobodies"???

 

You think its "offensive" that I say some people do GARBAGE movies "just for the money"???

 

Let's just say the one thing that bothers me the most is when some politically correct humanitarian with a small cock comes into my parts to try and make himself feel bigger by making a fuckin IDIOTIC point.

 

The moral of the story is if you're gonna state your position on something, DON'T do it to fuck with ONE person INDIRECTLY.

 

JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY FUCKFACE.

 

Did I "claim" to write that???

 

No, its there.

 

-TL

 

You really make this board intolerable, Thomas. One wonders how many different voices are NOT here because of posts like the above. I don't think I've ever seen a board that was under such a stranglehold as you have over this one. For the life of me, I can't understand why you're tolerated.

 

Nomad

 

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Listen here "mate".

 

If you're gonna come in here and attempt to impose your edited wisdom and code of honor on me, turn the fuck around cause YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

 

You think its "offensive" that I class others as "nobodies"???

 

You think its "offensive" that I say some people do GARBAGE movies "just for the money"???

 

Let's just say the one thing that bothers me the most is when some politically correct humanitarian (edited) comes into my parts to try and make himself feel bigger by making an (edited) IDIOTIC point.

 

The moral of the story is if you're gonna state your position on something, DON'T do it to fuck with ONE person INDIRECTLY.

 

JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY (edited).

 

Did I "claim" to write that???

 

No, its there.

 

-TL

 

It's unprofessional, if you're gonna want to be working in Hollywood yet you're gonna constantly scream insults at the work of other people.

 

And that post makes you look like an unstable lunatic. At least if Bradstreet doesn't agree with something, he doesn't come out and rant. He acts "professional".

 

You don't. You act like you've been off your schizo meds for a few weeks.

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You really make this board intolerable, Thomas. One wonders how many different voices are NOT here because of posts like the above. I don't think I've ever seen a board that was under such a stranglehold as you have over this one. For the life of me, I can't understand why you're tolerated.

 

Nomad

 

He doesn't have a stranglehold on shit.

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Arsh, you should stay out of this one since I know you post over at IMDB and the shit they (yeah all of the ones that came here) had to say about Jane and Street was anything but professional.

 

They basically made Street out to be a punk for his comments on Warzone and made it sound like Steve Gainer kicked his ass online.

 

And they basically think Jane is a fuckin asshole.

 

The "I" in IMDB should stand for ignorant.

 

In this business there's two ways of doing things - The SELLOUT way (which means you put on a happy face when hiding your true feelings) and the HONEST way (which means you speak your mind).

 

Does Thomas Jane HAVE to provide Warzone and its crew with respect? NO. But the IMDB crowd seems to think so.

 

Did Street HAVE to apologize to Steve Gainer for disliking the Trailer? NO. But the IMDB crowd made Street out to be a monster before he apologized.

 

-TL

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Yeah and I recall all you IMDB people coming over here JUST to start shit on behalf of a GARBAGE movie.

 

I hope you guys gave yourselves a round of applause for that.

 

-TL

I did no such thing. True, I came here from IMDb but I never came here to start shit. You can even check the posts from IMDb, I specifically said "I'm going to give my two cents" not "Yeah! Let's troll their asses!"

 

Hell, even if you read my first posts on this forum I've tried to be nothing but civil.

 

Arsh, you should stay out of this one since I know you post over at IMDB and the shit they (yeah all of the ones that came here) had to say about Jane and Street was anything but professional.

 

They basically made Street out to be a punk for his comments on Warzone and made it sound like Steve Gainer kicked his ass online.

 

And they basically think Jane is a fuckin asshole.

 

The "I" in IMDB should stand for ignorant.

 

In this business there's two ways of doing things - The SELLOUT way (which means you put on a happy face when hiding your true feelings) and the HONEST way (which means you speak your mind).

 

Does Thomas Jane HAVE to provide Warzone and its crew with respect? NO. But the IMDB crowd seems to think so.

 

Did Street HAVE to apologize to Steve Gainer for disliking the Trailer? NO. But the IMDB crowd made Street out to be a monster before he apologized.

 

-TL

You're a bold faced liar. If you knew anything you would know that some people from IMDb, like me, have had no ill words about Jane or Bradstreet. I'm always supporting Jane over there, there are only a few of us who do.

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Arsh, you should stay out of this one since I know you post over at IMDB and the shit they (yeah all of the ones that came here) had to say about Jane and Street was anything but professional.

 

I haven't posted there in weeks... don't assume things.

 

They basically made Street out to be a punk for his comments on Warzone and made it sound like Steve Gainer kicked his ass online.

 

And they basically think Jane is a fuckin asshole.

 

The "I" in IMDB should stand for ignorant.

 

They're just fans. They aren't professionals.

 

In this business there's two ways of doing things - The SELLOUT way (which means you put on a happy face when hiding your true feelings) and the HONEST way (which means you speak your mind).

 

Does Thomas Jane HAVE to provide Warzone and its crew with respect? NO. But the IMDB crowd seems to think so.

 

It's professional to.

 

Did Street HAVE to apologize to Steve Gainer for disliking the Trailer? NO. But the IMDB crowd made Street out to be a monster before he apologized.

 

Again... professional.

 

-TL

 

I don't know if you realized this, but Hollywood business, it's very, very easy to stain your reputation. Some professionalism won't go amiss. See, this is why I want to see you go to Hollywood.

 

Five bucks says you become the most hated guy there, cause you'll just go around ripping half the people a new one, and the other half praising them to the heights of God.

 

You're just as bad as the IMDB people. You believe that everyone else who has an opinion regarding this film that is different to yours to be full of shit. And you're very vocal about that, which usually wouldn't be a huge deal, except you take it to an extreme that it's really ridiculous and hurts your cause. You basically scream 'cheese' over and over again, scream that everyone else is wrong, blame everyone else, and believe that your opinion is better than everyone else's without actually watching the film, walking in biased as hell.

 

And I know you're gonna come out and deny what I just said, or say that I'm just as bad, whatever I don't give a fuck. Sometimes I just get tired of hearing basically the same thing over and over again. Like, you literally have posted the same post like 300 times in this thread about why the movie's gonna blow, and you keep saying that. We get it. Our families get it. Poor African orphans in a war-torn country half-way across the world fucking get it.

 

So you know, I've said my piece. You wanna shout at me, insult me, go right ahead. I don't exactly care.

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I did no such thing. True, I came here from IMDB but I never came here to start shit. You can even check the posts from IMDb, I specifically said "I'm going to give my two cents" not "Yeah! Let's troll their asses!". Hell, even if you read my first posts on this forum I've tried to be nothing but civil.

 

Yeah, you're like one of those guys that hangs out with potheads and doesn't smoke.

 

Arsh, If that's what it takes to be "Professional", WHO CARES???

 

Thomas Jane is Thomas Jane.

 

Mickey Rourke is Mickey Rourke.

 

Mel Gibson is Mel Gibson.

 

Those guys are fantastic actors, and surprisingly HONEST actors.

 

I'd rather be honest than a bullshitter.

 

*And just for the record, Street HAD THE RIGHT to dislike Warzone.

 

He didn't NEED to apologize for shit.

 

Steve's a confident guy and didn't need an apology from Tim Bradstreet to be able to sleep at night.

 

-TL

 

 

 

 

 

 

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