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  1. Hey I've said this before on another forum...


    Am I the only one who gets a Starship Troopers meets Street Fight (and I'm talking the Van Damme film) vibe from this...


    Because that is a very scary vibe... a very scary vibe indeed.


    I hope when the trailers come out it doesn't turn that vibe into a deep rooted gut feeling.


    (who knows... G.I. Joe could end up being the scariest movie of 2009)


  2. Clearing my head some…


    Over the past few weeks an idea or concept for a Punisher story has been rattling around in my brain. I thinking of this more as a sequel to the 2004 film rather than just a comic book story.

    Actually I don’t really know what’s possessing me to post this here… maybe I just have some odd need to gain feedback on some of my hair-brained ideas. I do know that writing things out helps to clear my head… and save ideas for future reference.


    I guess this is an okay thread to post this.

    (Warning this is a word document... so there will be a bunch of red and green squiggly lines all over the place)


    My probably rather dumb idea


    For the most part that’s what has been bouncing around in my brain. It does me some good to get it all down and out of my head. I’ll probably still have ideas cropping up from time to time, and I’ll jot them down as well and hopefully flesh this whole thing out.

    Funny enough even though I don’t really care for the character I also have the urge to find a way of having the incident that leads to Microchip’s creation.


    Anyways this has been my hair-brained Punisher story idea.

    Also as a final note:

    I don’t know jack shit about writing screenplays… I do understand novels somewhat. But as I’ve said this was more to clear out my head and get these ideas written down more than anything else.


    Thanks for taking the time to look at it... and sorry if it made your head hurt :D .


  3. Oh I know how the fan boy temper can flare up all too well.

    My first foray into this kind of forum was on IMDb... boy can't tempers flare up there (especially when responses to any of your arguments are usually pathetic and petty insults).

    I like how even when annoyed people on this forum seem to still be rather respectful to each other.


    If I was actually talking to you about War Zone then you might possibly see my temper (short that it is... its why I even though I can I don't carry in Miami, the people piss me off too much at times).

    But in writting I can usually reign in most of my anger... my annoyance, not so much :) .


  4. Though I to have enjoyed Oswalt's stand-up it doesn't mean that his okay of War Zone some how exonorates the movie from its abundant failings.

    If he, as a fan of the character, did indeed enjoy the movie then good for him.

    I unfortunately did not enjoy the film in the least.

    Its also a bit sad that Alexander uses his review as a way of saying "He gets it. Why don't you?"

    A bit aggrivating really.


    Also... I sitll feel that both the 2004 The Punisher and The Punisher: War Zone could have greatly benefited from a more continual voice over narration from the character, just like Frank's running internal thoughts in the comics on why he's doing what he's doing. War Zone needed it far more to me as unlike with Tom Jane I never felt like I saw much going on in Stevenson's mind. His eyes and face just always seems so impassive. With Jane I always felt like there was something going on in his head when they focused on his face (it usually in the actor's eyes for me).


    Stevenson looked the part and played the violent part well just not much on the rest of the character (outside the graveyard/flasback sequence).

    I still really think Jane played the overall part in all its aspects better.

    I also preferred the more... stylized(?)... violence of the 2004 film. It felt more like the older comics where they pushed the boundaries of the ratings/restrictions without completely going over the line. The current comics seem to have lost something for me since there really aren't much in the way of restrictions for the MAX run.

    The "Oh my God!" moments are not what sells a movie form me and nor a comic book... it never really did. And its really sad and disturbing that Alexander apparently saw that as the key part of the comics.


    My biggest problem in the end is that I just cannot agree with Lexi Alexander's interpretation of the character, and the more she tells people what her view on him was the more pissed off with her I become.

    (Vicous cycle isn't it ;) ).


  5. Well, if Lexi is justifying that hard, I mean I can't blame her. The movie was just a train wreck, I would not want this on my resume.


    But, obviously she has this sort of offhand ideology about it. The comments I read and heard prior to the film were very much the same way.


    I may be responding to a fake post, but, it's late, I'm tired of fixing trigger springs and grinding metal (I've been working on guns all day) and I'm feeling a bit cranky . . .




    See, this is just one big excuse, and the worst part about it is that she obviously has no idea what kind of film gets sick teenagers riled up. It sure as hell isn't Taxi Driver, and Narc. Teenagers love sadistic shit, and this was a sadistic film where people reveled in violence and mayhem, there were no serious consequences for doing so, in fact there were loads of rewards for doing so. They made the violence so cartoony, and "fun" that any kid who's out there blowing the legs off frogs with firecrackers, and had a skewed view of things and needs some guidance in life will probably connect most with LBJ.


    This kind of offhanded mentality really makes me angry.


    And since when did we start making these kinds of creative choices anyway? A realistic Punisher is going to drive teenagers to violence? HUH?


    I've been watching action movie since I was about 11 years old, and I've never been arrested, never strapped bombs to my chest and walked into my school with a loaded gun. And I went to a school where it was accepted that during deer season you could bring guns to school if you were going hunting right afterwards.


    Nobody ever got shot.




    Again, I read this and wonder what in the hell she is thinking. Spider-Man "pretends" to be a spider does he? Bat-Man "pretends" to be a bat? Fuck that shit. If you open your mouth to speak, know what the fuck you're talking about. He wears a skull on his chest, is Frank Castle "pretending" to be a fucking skeleton?






    Do you think the day they shot the pencil up the nose scene they said "That'll make jaws drop!" or "That will make people laugh out loud!"


    Or the day they filmed the chandelier scene, do you wonder if they though "THAT won't set off any shaky armed teenagers! We did our job, we filmed Frank wiping out an entire mansion full of people and I'm fairly certain it won't make anyone want to shoot anyone else when they watch it."




    And Patton Oswald sucks. How is HE any sort of gauge for how to receive a fucking PUNISHER movie????????






    Yes, the marketing department. Those bastards.




    AH, yes. The secret is out. We don't bother to compete with well written films. Films with amazing cinematography and solid character acting alongside epic performances . . . that's not our bag.




    Again with the offhanded choices. Can we just start calling Lexi "the offhanded director"


    Well . . . I felt like calling her that at first, but then I changed my mind. Meh.


    And Steve, with all due respect, I think you're wrong.




    That's it. Obviously she lives her life in an offhanded fashion, and just goes with the flow. Commentary, no commentary, lets get toasted!




    That'll help my image and reputation.




    Well, she means it today. But next week. Meh.


    "Who's Frank Castle again?"


    Now that is what I call a tirade!

    Key thing is I really can't disagree with anything you just wrote. In fact I agree with most of it quite whole-heartedly.


    As much as my morbid curiosity wishes to listen to commentary on War Zone just to figure out what the hell they were thinking, I can't bring myself to drop any cash on any of the DVD's... though that single DVD cover looks good. Nor can I bring myself to view the film once more either. I watched the 2004 one in the theaters 3 times, but I only saw this one once and wished that I hadn't (even though the trailers for it were already turning me off from seeing it I had to give it a shot since it was a Punisher film).


    This is now the third comic book movie that I saw in the theaters that I wish I hadn't (if you're curious the other 2 were Spawn and Batman & Robin... boy were those bad days).


  6. Thanks for that post, and if it actually was Lexi, I dislike her even more now :P I guess we may know for sure when the actual dvd features are revealed. Sadly, if Lexi and Ray didn't want to make a "realistic" movie, they shouldn't have bothered, and it's probably for the best that they won't be involved with further films (though I would still like to see Ray again in a realistic version if he would be up for it).


    I can agree with that.


    It's funny the more I find out word of mouth on Tom Jane and his views of the character the more respect I have for him.

    The more I find out word of mouth on Lexi Alexander and her views on the character the more she bothers or aggrivates me.


    I guess that's probably becuase Jane's views and interpretation of the Punisher seems to mirror my own whereas Alexander's views do not mirror mine in any way shape or form.


    A bit of personal bias I guess...

  7. Holy smeg! There is an intro thread?!... I must be blind in one eye and can't see out the other to have missed this.


    Name: Hmm... should I answer this truthfully? McSheehy


    Location: Miami, FL (sobbing... I hate this city, can't afford to leave just yet)


    Your Interests (besides Tom, of course): Crap... I never know how to answer this without going overboard...

    Science Fiction & Fantasy (books, comics, or film), History, Weapons (usually in their use in history... but I also follow IPSIC, IDPA, and SASS), Games Workshop (its easier to give a link than to try and explain it myself)... and finally writting (usually just to jot down the ideas for the odd stories that pop into my head... easiest way to exorcise them).


    When did you first become at fan of Tom's?: The Punisher was my first real intro to him, though I had seen several of the other films he had been in before that (I just didn't know it at the time).


    What are your favorite Tom-related films?: The Punisher and Stander so far... though I have enjoyed many others


    What future Tom-related project (comics/films) are you most anticipating?: Give 'em Hell, Malone is definately the main one I'm looking forward to


    In what film role to you like Tom best?: Frank Castle... though Andre Stander was great as well, it's just his portrayal of one of my top favorite Marvel characters is going to win out in the end


    How much have you seen of his Filmography?:

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer


    The Crow: City of Angels

    The Thin Red Line

    Under Suspicion




    The Punisher

  8. $39.99 Ouch!


    And I thought the $12 I paid to watch it the theaters was a waste.


    At this point I don't give a rats ass who plays Frank Castle in the future (if there is one) whether its Ray or Tom once more or someone else entirely all I want is to see the story done well. I mean War Zone had a great concept with Frank dealing with the issue of fucking up and accidentally killing a fed, but it just completely fell apart in a rather pointless way.


    I know that action and violence is central to the character but it shouldn't overshadow a good story.


    Too much of the violence in this felt like it was gruesomely violent just to be gruesomely violent and no other real purpose.

    Unfortunately for me I grew out of violence without worthwhile purpose a long time ago.


    Oh well... here's hoping to the future I guess.


  9. Ugh... zany...


    Does anyone else get the Ghost Rider movie vibe when they see the word 'zany' in referrence to the Jonah Hex movie. This could end very poorly, especially since focusing on 'zany' can easily end up leading to 'goofy'.


    Batman, Ghost Rider, the Punisher, Jonah Hex, and several character like them all have a dark and sometimes disturbing underlying story that it seems some filmmakers just want to ignore in favor of the bizarre and somewhat surreal nature of the artwork of the comics.


    The problem with that is the dark story (or just the story period) is what makes that characters who they are just as much as the drawings. If you just focus on the pretty pictures you're missing half of the character.


    To me both Schumacher Batman films, Ghost Rider, and The Punisher: Warzone all focused too much on bizarre and surreal elements of the comics and let the harsh story of the characters fall to the wayside. In some cases like Batman and the Punisher the bizarre and surreal looks great in the comics but just ends up looking stupid in live action.

    With characters like Ghost Rider and Jonah Hex the bizarre and surreal are important parts but if handled poorly with too much focus on the zanyness it just ends up looking goofy and comes across as some dumb joke of a film.


    Ghost Rider has already been messed up that way on screen.


    I really really really hope that doesn't happen with Jonah Hex... he's one of only a small handful of DC comic characters that I actually like.


    Keeping my fingers crossed on this one (not that it will help much).


  10. Here's some of that Killshot trailer goodness! My wife really wants to see this one, too!

    Killshot Trailer Link


    Hope I linked correctly!


    Damn... that actually looks interesting

    And Dark Country is sounding interesting as well... even though I usually don't care for thrillers that much


    Shit... this means there are now are 4 Tom Jane movies I'm looking forward to seeing


    The Mutant Chronicles (whenever the hell that's actually getting a release)


    Dark Country

    and of course!... Give 'em Hell, Malone


    oh... and just to be a wise ass...

    As to some of the earliest posts... Eastwood's characters in both A Fistfull of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More actually had a name. Its Joe in the first one... (though he's only called that once at the very end) and Monco in the other (this time he's called by name at least twice if not three times). It's The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly that he is never referred to by name except for being called Blondie by Tuco.

    Sorry... I love those films and just couldn't help being a wise ass to point that out


    Now on with the regularly scheduled discussion...


  11. Sometimes it’s also the actor/actress and what they do with a character that is very important in a movie.


    I mean can you see anyone besides:

    Harrison Ford as Rick Deckard… or any of the other character’s he has portrayed for that matter (though funny enough I could see Tom Jane pulling off Deckard, but still its best left alone)


    Rutger Hauer as Roy Batty… or John Ryder (Bean did a reasonable job but couldn’t get that same level of all over sinister that Hauer achieved)… or even Etienne Navarre


    Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken


    Robert Englund as Freddy Kruger


    Charles Bronson as Paul Kersey


    Clint Eastwood as… well just about any character he has done really


    These are merely a few examples… and of just some male actors and roles…


    Many times the actor or actress brings something to a character that just can’t be matched… only imitated at best (and if they're just imitating why bother in the first place).


    I know that’s why The Italian Job and Alfie remakes both didn’t really work for me. Neither Mark Walberg nor Jude Law managed to bring that spark to their characters that Michael Caine did.


    There are some remakes that worked... but far far more that did not.

    It's also a little sad that instead of trying to do something new choices are being made to redo something old and classic (mainstream or cult it doesn't really matter).


  12. well this thread is damn entertaining. question is, what will we do with ourselves once the damn film comes and goes?


    the problem is how things get out of hand and blown around and facts get distorted to support whatever argument some one is trying to make.

    i didn't leave over walter hill. i left because i saw in castle a true tragic figure in fiction, and i loved the guy and i wanted HIS STORY to be told in a realistic manner that is fitting the tale. like taxi driver. like dog day afternoon. like fuckin SERPICO, with some death wish mixed in and yeah it's an action film and yeah it's a comic book but i think the way to keep comic book films alive is to treat them with the respect that the stories deserve. and look out! a guy named Nolan does just that a year later and look what happens.


    i went to LGF with a BAG of dvd's. thirty or forty. big meeting with everyone from marvel and LG there. and i laid them on the table. all gritty urban crime dramas and action films. you all know the ones. and i said this is what we want to see with P2. i even outlined a simple story where we had a female FBI agent working on bringing down a mob family for three years, doing wiretaps and collecting evidence, and on the big night of the bust, FC walks in and kills every one of them in three minutes. job done. and this chick, she's like who the FUCK is this asshole? Three years down the drain in three minutes by some joker with a skull on his chest? no fucking way. and she goes to her boss and says I WANT FRANK CASTLE. he's an affront to the System. this is a girl who had to do everything by the book just to get where she is, loves her job and believes in it, but is kinda feeling that 'glass ceiling' that women sometimes hit in a man's world. she's had to have all the T's crossed and I's dotted to make it, and FC just pisses her off to no end. she goes after him, and she CATCHES him. Locks him up. job done. but at the same time, the MOB goes after her, and kidnaps her kid. (this was Jigsaw and his men.) they are gonna kill the kid. no time for 'by the book.' so she goes to castle in lock up. she looks at him and he looks at her. and she leaves the key on the floor and walks out. and castle destroys every last one of them.


    that was the story in a nutshell. i wasn't hung up on that story in particular, just something with some emotion and balls and speaks to the fact that love him or hate him Frank Castle does what he does so we don't have to. he's a necessary evil, because he's the only guy in town who's willing to live with the heinous fucking shit that sometimes has got to be done. everyone nodded their heads and we talked for an hour about bringing back the Great Urban Crime Film. problem was, no one could write it. we went through so many drafts. i even worked with Ennis on an outline. but LG could not get away from the Comic Book Film. it was very light and the characters were just superficial. Sutter did professional work. great guy, trying to give the studio what they wanted. like him a lot. but when it became obvious that LG wasn't interested in developing that KIND of story, and frankly weren't interested in spending the cash on a good script. i said guys, i just can't do this to the character i love. can't live with it. can't make the 'would have been great if' movie of frank one more time. this is me speaking from the heart, and not trying to be PC here. so i walked away and i sent an open letter to Quint at ain't it cool outlining my feelings on the thing. i'm sure you can look it up. THEN LG got another director. THEN the 'reboot' stuff. makes sense to reboot after the actor walks, right?


    Bradstreet is right - when i say 'piece of crap' that's just me talking. Hey, might be a masterpiece from someone else's POV. i guess if i wanted to be polite i could say 'not my cup 'o tea.' but then that wouldn't be me talking, would it.


    After reading this all I can say is:

    Shit. Now that sounds like the kind of Punisher sequel I was hoping to see.

    It’s a bloody shame it never happened.


    I can also respect a person who has the guts to walk away from something they love when he feels it’s getting hosed over.

    Not an easy choice to make. Granted alot of people are playing it up as you throwing a temper tantrum, but I take comments like that with a grain of salt (about 2 grams shy a lethal dose grain of salt that is).


    Thanks for giving your views on the direction you were aiming for. I’ve been looking for that for a couple months now (not that computer/internet savvy… you push buttons and it works, right?). When it comes to what people want… I prefer to get it straight from the source. Until then it’s merely rumor and conjecture.


    Anyways good luck with your current and future projects. I'm looking forward to Give 'em Hell, Malone

  13. Just wanted to throw in my two cents here…


    This is my favorite Punisher film of all the three. Is it perfect? Oh hell no.


    The pacing could have been better… but I liked the build up anyways

    The origin though flawed still kept some of the key essence: A man loses his family to those who can avoid repercussions from the law and decides to pursue his own more primal form of justice.

    The action was just fine even with the absurdity of the Russian fight… I’ve never been able to explain it but it worked for me (I find it both humorous and fitting that the crew called it the ‘Horrific Clown Show’). I just loved that manic grin on Kevin Nash’s as he tossed Jane all over the apartment.

    The way they had Frank get revenge upon the Saints… I don’t know it just struck a cord with me and I liked how it played out.

    The final shootout was perfect to me.


    (Note: I never did need a high body count in order to enjoy revenge or action films – the story of the main character is always the most important part)


    Nonetheless I felt that this movie was a good stepping stone introduction for the character and I was really looking forward to Tom Jane taking the character to the next level. You know, really start making Frank the Punisher that most of the fans know and enjoy.


    In the end this one gave me just about everything I enjoyed about the character.

    I also liked that Jane looked like some of the classic drawings from the 80’s and early 90’s. That’s the Punisher I grew up with and remember the best.


    It was a good film. It could have been better, but it was still fun.

    It’s one of my standard 'toss in films' when I want some background entertainment as I work on other things.


  14. First off I’m new to these boards… only found out about them when looking up stuff about this movie.


    My real intro to Jane’s acting was when he portrayed one of my top two favorite Marvel comic characters with the Punisher. I really enjoyed that movie… of all three versions it was the one that came the closest to the character I took away from the comics, and I was really looking forward to that next step. After the… I guess I’ll use the word ‘disappointment’ that the new film was for me I started looking at forum/message boards to see what other people thought.


    Only a couple weeks ago did I once more take another look at Jane’s profile on IMDb and trust me the movie title Give ‘em Hell, Malone definitely caught my eye.


    With a title like that you think I wasn’t going to find out what I could about the movie?!


    After watching the trailer I actually said… out loud even…

    “Good god, I need to see this!”


    It’s been quite a while since I’m been this interested in a movie that wasn’t some form of adaptation (novel or comic).


    And now after reading through all the posts here and seeing the extra pictures Tim Bradstreet put up I’m even more psyched about it.


    I love how Jane looks… the coat, the hat, the gun


    I almost can’t wait until this is finished up and released.


  15. As to shows that are actually still running…


    Burn Notice



    House M.D.

    A few shows from the History Channel & Military Channel


    As to shows that had their run (I’ll keep this to the ones I enjoyed the most)…



    Vengeance Unlimited



    Band of Brothers

    The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.

    Conquest (a History Channel show)

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer


    Star Trek (any incarnation)


    I seem to have a taste for shows that ended up getting the axe rather than end on their own terms.

    There were others I enjoyed… I just can’t remember them right now.

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