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  1. I just watched Warzone again, This time with a couple of mates. One of em is a bonefide Punisher/Bradstreet/Ennis fanatic.

     

    The night started out well, 2 of us chuckled away happily during the dinner party whilst our Punisher nut screamed "Fuck Yeah, Give it to em! Inna face, inna fucking face!" ect. All very amusing.

     

    However by the middle we had to pin the fucker down before he wrecked stuff! He was not amused. I honestly thought he was gonna lose it entirely when Frank said "Dont you die on me" (the worst and most out of character line in the movie by a mile) It picked up by the end but our Punisher nut was not impressed.

     

    Afterwards though he said that the film was about 60% Punisher to 40% crap. His view of the previous instalments was 20% Punisher to 80% utter snivelling shite! (his words not mine).

     

    In the end Warzone is at least somewhat in the mold of what I (and my slightly insane friend) believe the Punisher should be. The last one was not... At all.

     

    I would just like to add that i don't wish to seem like i'm dissing Jane at all. I think he is an outstanding actor who definitely belongs in the A list (More than a lot already there anyway!). Its just a shame that his Punisher film did not deliver a recognisable character. If you took away the logo and the name, it could have been a generic mainstream revenge film. You certainly couldn't say the same of Warzone, however you feel about it.

  2. Well I finally got to see it, and I’ll admit there are some bad choices but overall it’s by far and away the closest representation of the punisher universe I’ve seen on film. For a start I actually felt I was watching a Punisher movie which is something I didn’t get with the 89 or 04 versions.

     

    The good points:

    I thought that origin was done superbly

    Ray Stevenson does violent psychopath as well as any slasher villain

    The lighting was pretty effective most of the time and helped give it a comic book feel

    The villains were great fun

     

    The bad points:

    Some terribly clichéd scenes

    Some absurd choices in dialogue

    Sometimes felt like two separate movies

     

    All in all I really enjoyed the film. I liked how they approached the material, I liked how they set the shots and I liked the characters. The approach was the main selling point for me, whereas the 04 movie had tried for a mainstream Hollywood approach, WZ had deliberately gone for a B movie grindhouse feel which was far more effective given the characters they used.

     

    I would be interested to see what Lexi had originally intended for this film, I think it’s clear that the scenes used did not always fit together as if something was missing. I think it may have been even more OTT had she been allowed to finish the film (I’m still not convinced she did). At times the production seems to be trying to move the film closer to a standard Hollywood actioner than the material would allow so I definitely think that what we say wasn’t quite how it was intended by Lexi. I could be wrong but something definitely feels awkward about how the film is put together.

     

    Anyway, it’s sad to see that this died a death and were unlikely to get another Punisher film with Ray or Tom (or Dolph!). I’ll be buying the bluray when it comes out though.

     

  3. I listened to the BIGFANBOY podcast today while doing some work, good stuff but you need to get a better phone Tim, or stop dropping it!!

     

    Out of curiosty where can I find Tom Jane podcasts? they should be worth a listen. Are they one the RAW website?

  4. I also love GREEN STREET HOOLIGANS.

     

    Seriously, why do people like that movie??

     

    Take it form me ( and I know from real personal experience) that film did nothing but glamorise arseholes. I live about two streets from "Englands Most Notorious" (The tabloids quote, not mine) and he and his strong arm mates are nothing but pussies who need a pack. They fight amongst themselves when they can organise it, fine with me. But when they can't get that they beat the shit out of anyone weaker than them, I've seen them beat on individuals when their in their pack, beat on disabled people, beat on women, and all for fun!! I know these animals murdered an individual in my local bar for fuck sake. Then they end up in something like Combat 18, vote BNP and beat on minorities. I know its a world away, but when I see a film that glamorises gang violence I despair of the disconnect these people have with the reality of it all.

     

    I wouldn't mind, i've seen a few films about these thugs, but in this one were supposed to RESPECT that Elijahs character has become a MAN from hanging with them!! Total bollocks.

     

    theres a British film called Rise of the Foot Soldier that shows just what monsters these people are. Its a lot more honest about the whole sorry fucking mess.

  5. A friend of mine, whose a bit of an artsy type has your first book, I think he got into your stuff thru your Punisher work and Hellraiser (you did some work with that yes?) He buys lots of hardback art books. His most recent purchase is of a guy by the name of Oliver Frey. I don't know if you've seen any of his stuff, but when I was growing up there was a couple of british magazines for gamers called Crash and Zzap which catered for Spectrum and Commodore 64 games. Oliver did the covers for both and became a bit of a celebrity (in the geek world of young gamers anyway!) His stuff is worth a checkout if you haven't seen it.

     

    http://www.thalamus-books.com/books-kean-oliver-frey.html

  6. I think this review sums up what kinda audience this film caters to, heres the summary...

     

    "Punisher: War Zone" is an amazing piece of ass kicking B-movie B-movieness. A stunning achievement, the kind of hyper violent action movie that will cause you to, at least once, stand up and yell "Motherfucker!" in absolute glee. Well, I didn't, but I did say it while sitting down. I wanted to stand up. Thank you, Lexi Alexander, for giving us a masterpiece. And you had a good run, Dolph, but there's a new Punisher in town. Ray Stevenson. Yeah.

     

    full review:

     

    http://www.411mania.com/movies/film_reviews/91894

     

    1.6m at the box office looks to be a disaster though, but when am I going to get this thing in the UK??

  7. From the reviews it seems that the main thing that most people wanted out of a Punisher movie was for it to just violent as all hell. Oh, well.

     

    I reckon that to reboot the series so soon after the 04 version they had to aim in a different direction, they couldn't really have tried the same thing twice so soon (ie, the gritty crime noir setting). My guess is they decided to aim for a different audience from the start. The MAX series definitely embraced outlandish violence with a comic edge and that seems to be the vibe from the positive reviews. Those reviewers that enjoyed the villians in the movie also point to an outlandish performace thats in keeping with the tone of the movie.

     

    The 04 film worked with a certain demographic of the Punisher fans (with the exception of Tampa!) and I think this one will cater for another altogether (with some overlap). So in 4 years most Punisher fans will have had something to smile about.

     

    Me? I'm dying to see that Free Runner Vs Rocket Launcher scene!! :D

  8. What I do find infinitely disagreeable is this shit I'm reading wherein some of these folks are tossing Jane under a bus.

     

    Couldn't agree more, though I've only read one review that openly disses on Tom. Toms Punisher may not have been everyones idea of the Punisher, but it was definitely HIS Punisher, you can't knock Toms commitment to his roles.

     

    I hope Hollywood gets its finger out of its arse and gives Tom some serious lead roles, I heard talk of a Blade Runner sequel... If they really have to make a sequel perhaps Tom could have the lead, and Ray as the villian!

     

     

     

    PS. Another good review in...

     

    http://www.sfweekly.com/2008-12-03/film/ca...ing-the-castle/

  9. The 3rd act alone is reason enough to see the movie. It's a body count Rambo would be proud of. And the fight scene between Jigsaw and Punisher? Let's just say even the the toughest good guy would try and show some form of mercy. This Punisher isn't that guy.

     

    Where's that review from??

  10. Theres a snippet of a review in from CHUD.COM, its only an update on some guy going under the banner Devin's Advocate about attending the films meet and greet before the preview itself.

     

    I loved it. Finally, someone made a Punisher movie that is fun to sit through. The movie is brutal and silly and strange and funny and packed with action and madness and more than a little bit of that contemptuous Garth Ennis black humor. A parkour guy gets blown up mid-leap by a rocket.

     

    I have no idea who the guy is, but sounds like he likes it for all the reasons I wanted to see it in the first place... Looking good!

  11. She has a valid point though, Ray Stevenson with an Irish accent? Never heard it myself, in 2 seasons of Rome, and any interview his accent is VERY English. That and that fact that he is listed somewhere as being Irish, sounds suspect yes? Unless his attempt at a NY accent came over a bit Irish...

  12. Here is the good news for Frank Castle fans. Punisher: War Zone is far and away the best movie based on Marvel Comic' vigilante anti-hero The Punisher to date.

     

    Does this mean that anyone who enjoyed Punisher 04 is gonna be blown away?!? Somehow I doubt it, but it gives me renewed hope. The bit about Ray struggling with the accent is a bummer, and Dominic West not nailing his accent? Well he sounded a bit odd during the trailers, but when I first watched The Wire I wasn't even aware that he was British. I should be able to spot an English accent, being English and all!

     

     

  13. What does bug me a bit is folks only posting in this thread, and missing out on some of the other great discussions going on board wide.

     

    Sorry to be bugging you Noeland ;)

     

    But you kinda have to come in the door thats open. In this case it was the link on the web to this particular thread. After a while I gave up typing "Punisher Warzone" into Google and hitting "News" and just popped in here as most of what I was looking for was here, discussed and dissected. And as I said, by people I knew of.

     

    To be fair, since I came here regarding the PWZ story, I kinda feel like it would have been a little crass to start popping up with comments all over the place. It's a bit like walking into a party and making your way uninvited to where all the cool kids are hanging out, and then butting in on the conversation! ( I did have a quick post in another thread, felt a bit silly, and promptly buggered off again (Its amazing how paranoid you can get on the internet!))

     

    But now that I have an invite, I'll have a good nosey around!

  14. And the intent was not to start a flame war. Apologize if it did though I did not see any responses if they were posted. I'm just frustrated with the fact that THIS THREAD seems to be drawing so many people to RAW ONLY for this thread...and it is the shittiest thread on this site HANDS down.

     

    With so much cool stuff coming out of RAW like Bad Planet, Dark Country et al it seems a shamed to have so much bandwith wasted on this endless debate. This thread has chapped my ass for a LONG time. I cannot WAIT for DEC 6 so it can just fucking die.

     

    Hi Fred, I personally came here because the Steve Gainer post got a bit of attention on the net, and at a time when there was bugger all PWZ news. That so many people hung around to post can probably be tied directly to the endless pages of TL bashing the film, and its cast. And in return the endless pages of TL baiting (He was just too inviting not to TBH)

     

    On a positive, before that I had never heard of RAW Studios, I wouldn't have heard (at least not yet) of Give em Hell Malone or Dark Country, and you can't knock a bit of free publicity. It was also pretty cool to find out that I was reading the thoughts on PWZ from the likes of Tim Bradstreet and Tom Jane so that kinda kept me hanging around a bit.

     

    But after PWZ drops in Dec? I guess there will be a few "I told you so" type posts from one side or the other (probably both!) Then I presume posters will enjoy a bit of debate on what went right/wrong with the movie, there's also going to be some Tom Vs Ray debate (isn't there always?).

     

    At which point The Management will probably call "Last Orders" on this thing, moderate it down to 3 pages of genuine discussion and archive it for prosperity. Amen

  15. Wow! I never knew Viggo was that cool.

     

    You know he's in a band yeah? With Buckethead of all people! Kinda cool in itself, tho i've never heard any of his stuff I know Buckethead is one mean noodler and completely off his trolley!

     

    Oh and thanks for the info on those guns Noeland (Blade 3 Beefeaters), pretty interesting but I wonder why they've taken a set of heavily customized guns from one Marvel film and placed them in The Punisher. Are these guns used for the promotional material only, or has anyone seen any clips of them in use elswhere?

  16. Ray's build is not "the" problem for anyone but TL. And he has every right to feel the way he feels, and for that to be his own reasons.

     

    Thats a bit defensive, and out of context with the comment. I have no issue with an individuals desire for a particular physique, since I'm off to the gym in an hour to "buff up" I think it would be a bit hypocritical of me to say otherwise. My comment is aimed at the representation of people in movies, most actors are buffed now, most people are not. As Amy pointed out, this has been an issue with the portayal of women for some time. Now were all getting it!

     

    I think Frank Castle should be muscular, not lean. It's just the way the character has always looked. He's a BIG dude.

     

    Thats fair enough, but all comic heroes have had almost identical physiques. I think Ray is a very good likeness to some of Bradstreets covers, and Ray is a BIG dude!

     

    Is anyone actually OK with a silly carrot munching type of Frank Castle? If they went that way?

     

    Nope

     

  17. the chandelier scene reminds me of Boondock Saints. as a matter a fact, WARZONE reeks of BoondockSaints, and thats a good thing.

     

    I fisrt heard mention of Boondock Saints on this forum. I checked it out and yeah, I really liked it. Mind you, they had a real good way of getting them hanging from the ceiling!

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