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I will say it was visually appealing. I also liked Ray's performance. Other than that...jank. Horrible filthy B-Movie jank.

 

But I did like it more than "Shoot Em Up"

 

 

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Lot's of plot holes...horribly over-budgeted for what we got, but definite Shock Fest material...and for that, I give it a nod.

 

Plot Holes? You have to have a plot to have plot holes. This had scenes barely strung together by Frank Castles bloody snot.

 

I have to disagree that this is shock fest material. I think you might be misunderstanding the heart and soul of what shock fest is about Fred. Films made by fringe people, funding from the mafia, grandmothers estate, maybe you sell drugs for 6 months to a year to finance your passion project. It's films shot for $10,000 at your best friend's Uncle's house.

 

;)

 

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The only thing it has in common is it was fast and cheaply (by today's action movie standards at least) made. There were some fine actors and there's no reason they should have given such bad performances, but that falls on the director, West actually wanted tone down his performance but Alexander apparently said something along the lines of it's just a silly movie go big.

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Plot Holes? You have to have a plot to have plot holes. This had scenes barely strung together by Frank Castles bloody snot.

 

I have to disagree that this is shock fest material. I think you might be misunderstanding the heart and soul of what shock fest is about Fred. Films made by fringe people, funding from the mafia, grandmothers estate, maybe you sell drugs for 6 months to a year to finance your passion project. It's films shot for $10,000 at your best friend's Uncle's house.

 

;)

 

Define fringe... I wouldn't be surprised if Chance doesn't own Lionsgate. Have you seen the schlock they are churning out. If you're reading the chapters with Chance in them it's more like put out whatever crap you can to make a quick buck. As long as there is grotesque violence. I don't think I've bmissed the point at all.

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The only thing it has in common is it was fast and cheaply (by today's action movie standards at least) made. There were some fine actors and there's no reason they should have given such bad performances, but that falls on the director, West actually wanted tone down his performance but Alexander apparently said something along the lines of it's just a silly movie go big.

 

There were some great, but lesser known actors in this. The only good performance was by Ray, but it seemed like he didn't have enough time in the movie to himself. I don't think Lexi should be allowed to direct anything ever again.

 

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Define fringe... I wouldn't be surprised if Chance doesn't own Lionsgate. Have you seen the schlock they are churning out. If you're reading the chapters with Chance in them it's more like put out whatever crap you can to make a quick buck. As long as there is grotesque violence. I don't think I've bmissed the point at all.

 

Oh, now see that. If I have to define anything you REALLY don't get it. Define fringe.

 

:P

 

I wasn't being serious.

 

ya' know?

 

I guess my "tone" wasn't obvious enough. But, you know . . . the mafia?

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Well, they did finance movies back in the day though I think they were mostly in the porno genre.

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I have to be honest and say that even after two days of post thought I can 't find anything redeeming to it.

 

Visuals - Batman Begins OD.

 

Script - non-existent.

 

Plot - nada.

 

Logic - none.

 

Acting - reminicent of an episode of Scooby Doo.

 

Did like the premise of Ray not talking for the first twenty-thirty minutes of the film, but it wasn't utilized to reveal character.

 

The whole LBJ component was terrible - and I'm meaning terrible on top of terrible.

 

Did smile at seeing Bradstreet's name on the hotel. Well deserved.

 

The rest - let it rot.

 

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The whole LBJ component was terrible - and I'm meaning terrible on top of terrible.

 

He wasn't that great of a president either...

 

Again, I think the best thing about the movie was how BADLY it BLEW! It was almost entertaining to see it swirl the bowl.

 

I could picture Tom Jane sitting at home with a bowl of popcorn laughing his ass off!!! What a huge "I told you so!"

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They should have dropped the character, cast Huchison as Ink and made Pittsy the tough bastard he was in the comic.

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For me the lack of direction was apparent. Everyone was obviously given free reign to do whatever they want - like it didn't matter. I'm being honest in saying that I found no redeeming features in there at all.

 

It has left a bad taste in my mouth.

 

Too much of this comic book rather than gritty urban reality.

 

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According to the commentary West actually thought about toning his performance down and Alexander told apparently to go broader with it. So I wouldn't there was complete free reign going on, though the accents I don't who the fuck that idea came from, it's like is it how a bunch or foreign people think all New Yorkers talk like?

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According to the commentary West actually thought about toning his performance down and Alexander told apparently to go broader with it. So I wouldn't there was complete free reign going on, though the accents I don't who the fuck that idea came from, it's like is it how a bunch or foreign people think all New Yorkers talk like?

 

Uh okay. Wasn't going to watch those visuals another time just for the commentary. I bet that Alexander's prime direction for the entire shoot was 'but it's a comic book'.

 

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Probably.

 

This movie should have put her firmly in director's jail.

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According to the commentary West actually thought about toning his performance down and Alexander told apparently to go broader with it. So I wouldn't there was complete free reign going on, though the accents I don't who the fuck that idea came from, it's like is it how a bunch or foreign people think all New Yorkers talk like?

 

It's probably revenge for Hogan's Heroes.

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It's probably revenge for Hogan's Heroes.

 

You know I have been watching to much of that lately, I just can't get enough of Sgt. Schultz.

 

"I know nothing!"

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I just watched Warzone again, This time with a couple of mates. One of em is a bonefide Punisher/Bradstreet/Ennis fanatic.

 

The night started out well, 2 of us chuckled away happily during the dinner party whilst our Punisher nut screamed "Fuck Yeah, Give it to em! Inna face, inna fucking face!" ect. All very amusing.

 

However by the middle we had to pin the fucker down before he wrecked stuff! He was not amused. I honestly thought he was gonna lose it entirely when Frank said "Dont you die on me" (the worst and most out of character line in the movie by a mile) It picked up by the end but our Punisher nut was not impressed.

 

Afterwards though he said that the film was about 60% Punisher to 40% crap. His view of the previous instalments was 20% Punisher to 80% utter snivelling shite! (his words not mine).

 

In the end Warzone is at least somewhat in the mold of what I (and my slightly insane friend) believe the Punisher should be. The last one was not... At all.

 

I would just like to add that i don't wish to seem like i'm dissing Jane at all. I think he is an outstanding actor who definitely belongs in the A list (More than a lot already there anyway!). Its just a shame that his Punisher film did not deliver a recognisable character. If you took away the logo and the name, it could have been a generic mainstream revenge film. You certainly couldn't say the same of Warzone, however you feel about it.

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I just watched Warzone again, This time with a couple of mates. One of em is a bonefide Punisher/Bradstreet/Ennis fanatic.

 

The night started out well, 2 of us chuckled away happily during the dinner party whilst our Punisher nut screamed "Fuck Yeah, Give it to em! Inna face, inna fucking face!" ect. All very amusing.

 

However by the middle we had to pin the fucker down before he wrecked stuff! He was not amused. I honestly thought he was gonna lose it entirely when Frank said "Dont you die on me" (the worst and most out of character line in the movie by a mile) It picked up by the end but our Punisher nut was not impressed.

 

Afterwards though he said that the film was about 60% Punisher to 40% crap. His view of the previous instalments was 20% Punisher to 80% utter snivelling shite! (his words not mine).

 

In the end Warzone is at least somewhat in the mold of what I (and my slightly insane friend) believe the Punisher should be. The last one was not... At all.

 

I would just like to add that i don't wish to seem like i'm dissing Jane at all. I think he is an outstanding actor who definitely belongs in the A list (More than a lot already there anyway!). Its just a shame that his Punisher film did not deliver a recognisable character. If you took away the logo and the name, it could have been a generic mainstream revenge film. You certainly couldn't say the same of Warzone, however you feel about it.

 

Wow...I just can't...wow. If only Thomas Logan were here...he'd pretty much cover this post.

 

 

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The 04 film was an origin story. He wasn't the hardcase Punisher who'd been a vigilante for 20 years. I don't know, maybe I'm just old school, but I remember when the Punisher comic was exactly like a mainstream revenge film.

 

His origin should feel that way, shouldn't it?

 

There was a lot wrong with the 04 film, but it was a better, stronger, more cohesive STORY than war zone could ever hope to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I just watched Warzone again, This time with a couple of mates. One of em is a bonefide Punisher/Bradstreet/Ennis fanatic.

 

The night started out well, 2 of us chuckled away happily during the dinner party whilst our Punisher nut screamed "Fuck Yeah, Give it to em! Inna face, inna fucking face!" ect. All very amusing.

 

However by the middle we had to pin the fucker down before he wrecked stuff! He was not amused. I honestly thought he was gonna lose it entirely when Frank said "Dont you die on me" (the worst and most out of character line in the movie by a mile) It picked up by the end but our Punisher nut was not impressed.

 

Afterwards though he said that the film was about 60% Punisher to 40% crap. His view of the previous instalments was 20% Punisher to 80% utter snivelling shite! (his words not mine).

 

In the end Warzone is at least somewhat in the mold of what I (and my slightly insane friend) believe the Punisher should be. The last one was not... At all.

 

I would just like to add that i don't wish to seem like i'm dissing Jane at all. I think he is an outstanding actor who definitely belongs in the A list (More than a lot already there anyway!). Its just a shame that his Punisher film did not deliver a recognisable character. If you took away the logo and the name, it could have been a generic mainstream revenge film. You certainly couldn't say the same of Warzone, however you feel about it.

 

Your write up is like a MILLION times better than the actual movie...maybe 2 million times better.

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The 04 film was an origin story. He wasn't the hardcase Punisher who'd been a vigilante for 20 years. I don't know, maybe I'm just old school, but I remember when the Punisher comic was exactly like a mainstream revenge film.

 

His origin should feel that way, shouldn't it?

 

There was a lot wrong with the 04 film, but it was a better, stronger, more cohesive STORY than war zone could ever hope to be.

 

It's more of a Year One adaptation with elements of Welcome Back, Frank, if people have read it they would know that Frank does some investigating, mourning and drinking and doesn't go on an assault until the last issue. Hensleigh has even said that Year One was big influence among other ones.

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I like some bits from both movies. I'm not sure which movie I like (or dislike) more. I have an intense hatred for a lot of the stuff in war zone. I did enjoy some of the action, but as a throwback to the 80's action movies, which were mostly brainless fun. The Jane one had the best action scene of the two, but near the end of the movie. I found that I couldn't enjoy the fight with the Russian because of those damn neighbors dancing around. I still view that scene as being just weird. One good thing about war zone is that it goes along pretty quickly, and is over before you know it.

 

Either way you put it, we still need a good punisher movie. It's not that hard to get it right. What I want right now is a sequel Jane's punisher.

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The 04 film was an origin story. He wasn't the hardcase Punisher who'd been a vigilante for 20 years. I don't know, maybe I'm just old school, but I remember when the Punisher comic was exactly like a mainstream revenge film.

 

His origin should feel that way, shouldn't it?

 

There was a lot wrong with the 04 film, but it was a better, stronger, more cohesive STORY than war zone could ever hope to be.

 

As usual Noeland steps in to say what TL would have used an excess of insults and f-bombs to convey. Always the voice of reason and one I usually agree with. :)

 

I do however have to point out that I remember a time when The Punisher fought Wolverine, tried to kill Spiderman, wore spandex and was a fairly normal guy who waded through supers like butter.

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As usual Noeland steps in to say what TL would have used an excess of insults and f-bombs to convey. Always the voice of reason and one I usually agree with. :)

 

I do however have to point out that I remember a time when The Punisher fought Wolverine, tried to kill Spiderman, wore spandex and was a fairly normal guy who waded through supers like butter.

 

I absolutely hated the punisher when he was in the "superhero team up mode" I think most of the scripts back then were very insulting...I mean, what, Frank Castle is dumb enough to believe the crap printed in the daily bugle about spiderman so he decides he'll kill him? And not just kill him but snipe him from hundreds of yards away...I REALLY HATED the Punisher/Spiderman arcs the most!

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