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I know it's pretty soon to be asking this, but does anyone know when it's going to get a DVD/Blu-Ray release?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

STILL HAVNT SEEN IT UGH

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I know it's pretty soon to be asking this, but does anyone know when it's going to get a DVD/Blu-Ray release?

 

I'd say they'll get this out as soon as possible. Probably look for a late March / early April release.

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Yeah, it's gonna' hit shelves quick so they can try and make some of the budget back. I wouldn't be surprised to see it around valentines day.

 

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HA! Well we're just lucky Todd Farmer wasn't there ;)

 

So my daughter was loose on my computer this morning and deleted my comment made earlier.

She also opened every application I have! 3 year olds, computers, bad mix ;)

Luckily I had the thread open on another page on my laptop and so I'm copying it back here.

 

I'm sure I'll take heat from someone, somewhere (perhaps MANY people) for saying this but - Yeah, who am I to express my opinion but for what it's worth here it is.

 

I've said this until blue in the face, it's because to the studio/s, The Punisher is just a 'comic book movie'. That's all they really see.

Purely speaking as a fan, that's disappointing.

People say The Punisher is nothing but one-dimensional, a cool skull plus body count.

I could not disagree more strongly.

I think there are a lot of layers to this guy, he's the one 'for sure' Marvel character that could transcend the medium and be elevated beyond the four-color page.

Because he's NOT a superhero.

 

When the studios decide to give this franchise the respect it deserves (or better yet, when they really understand the character's world and what it could be) then it's possible we'll see a more widely embraced Punisher film that just happens to be based on a comic. Until then, Castle is doomed to play in the fields of mediocrity. Just a commodity to be exploited.

 

Jane made his pitch and no one was listening.

 

My daughter also was in the process of making some editing choices to Mike V's proceeding post but I saved it.

Her edit read something like this -> "jhhhhhhh4l.x[[[[dldncuhuwwwwwwgfffff9[ hh["

 

I think she has a bright future in journalism ahead of her.

 

- TB

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Well, not EVERYbody is hating on Punisher: War Zone.

 

From comicbookmovie.com

 

Finally A True Punisher Movie

It's a movie. Not a film.

 

Meaning, it wasn't meant to be as serious, realistic, or deep as The Dark Knight. That would be a film. Punisher: War Zone is a movie, meant to be enjoyed but not analyzed.

 

To start with, the creative team behind this movie clearly went to the source material (Punisher Max Series), and it really shows. Not only are there several side characters from the series here in the movie, but the colors, tone, dialogue, and look of the characters (especially big Frank himself) are right from the comics. Sure some of the side characters aren't true to the comics, but I'm pretty sure they were just thrown in for the enjoyment of the fans.

 

Ray Stevenson was great as the Punisher. Again, very true to the source material. While Dolph Lundgren seemed sleepy & burned-out, and Thomas Jane was a depressed drunk, Stevenson's Punisher is sharp and inconsolable. Not only does he have the right look and voice, but it's clear he's and actor with talent. If the studio decides to make any more Punisher movies, Ray Stevenson should continue to play the part.

 

Dominic West was excellent as Jigsaw, and although some reviews feel he was a little over-the-top, I felt it was necessary to provide some balance to Ray Stevenson's Punisher. Julie Benz showed great balance as the female lead, and thank the comic-book gods, they did NOT try to invent a romantic storyline here.

 

I've read some reviews where people are complaining about the plot, but again, this story could have been taken right from the comics. There was no need for several storylines intertwining, or plot twists, it was a simple story about the Punisher working his way through the mob, and having to protect a couple of innocents along the way.

 

Why is this finally a true Punisher movie:

 

1) Ray Stevenson - he looks and acts the part. Instead of trying to create and origin story, they start with the Punisher 5 years into his rampage. The flashbacks and narrative tells the viewer all they need about the origin. Just like the comics, he is sharp and professional about what he does. And like the comics, he is direct. He doesn't waste time setting the villains up, he simply takes them out with military precision & strategy.

 

2) Interesting villains. Sure they are a little over-the-top, but they need to be to offset the darkness of the Punisher.

 

3) A director with the guts to show the Punisher as a relentless murdering vigilante. The previous Punisher movie tried too hard to make him a soft, sympathetic character, and dulled his violent edge. This movie displayed a Punisher that quite frankly, not everyone will like, but the same could be said about the comic.

 

Congratulations, and thank you Lexi Alexander.

 

It's really a shame that so many critics are giving it such a harsh, unfair review. Either they were spoiled by The Dark Knight & Iron Man, or they've never read a Punisher comic. Probably both.

 

If you like the Punisher comics, you will really enjoy this movie.

 

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/reviews/news/?a=5361

 

Nomad

 

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Fourth times the charm? If were lucky enough to get another one, I hope it stays out of the hands of LGF and Marvel makes it themself. Yea, even if it's PG13... I don't care. I just want a good Punisher movie.

 

I'd love to see Frank in a HBO show... Or just a miniseries.

 

Frank Castle deserves better.

 

 

I haven't seen PWZ. I bet it's a fun movie. I want a good movie.

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It'll be years before they make another Punisher reboot.

 

I think the only shot and best way to do things is an HBO series. It's probably the only way to go at this point.

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I've been lurking around this thread for the last couple of months. I'm not trying to pick on this person. But he brings up a lot of things positively that I felt negatively about so I couldn't help responding like we were having a debate.

 

"From comicbookmovie.com

 

"It's a movie. Not a film."

 

You can say that again.

 

Meaning, it wasn't meant to be as serious, realistic, or deep as The Dark Knight. That would be a film. Punisher: War Zone is a movie, meant to be enjoyed but not analyzed.

 

It wasn't meant to be serious, realistic, or deep. Well gee thanks. I'll remember that the next time these guys make a comic book movie. I just love to be insulted.

 

To start with, the creative team behind this movie clearly went to the source material (Punisher Max Series), and it really shows. Not only are there several side characters from the series here in the movie, but the colors, tone, dialogue, and look of the characters (especially big Frank himself) are right from the comics. Sure some of the side characters aren't true to the comics, but I'm pretty sure they were just thrown in for the enjoyment of the fans.

 

Oh brother. Well my own problem was that they took some things from Max and a LOT from Marvel Knights. They call it a Max based movie and then go all Marvel Knights on it.

I sincerely wish someone could stop blending different volumes of this character and stick to one. The gonzo comedy in this film is just pitiful. Mind numbingly so. Straight take please.

 

Ray Stevenson was great as the Punisher. Again, very true to the source material. While Dolph Lundgren seemed sleepy & burned-out, and Thomas Jane was a depressed drunk, Stevenson's Punisher is sharp and inconsolable. Not only does he have the right look and voice, but it's clear he's and actor with talent. If the studio decides to make any more Punisher movies, Ray Stevenson should continue to play the part.

 

Stevenson was the only bright spot in this nightmare.

 

Dominic West was excellent as Jigsaw, and although some reviews feel he was a little over-the-top, I felt it was necessary to provide some balance to Ray Stevenson's Punisher. Julie Benz showed great balance as the female lead, and thank the comic-book gods, they did NOT try to invent a romantic storyline here.

 

A little bit over the top? He wasn't even in the same movie! Wait a minute, this person is analyzing the movie that shouldn't be analyzed.

 

I've read some reviews where people are complaining about the plot, but again, this story could have been taken right from the comics. There was no need for several storylines intertwining, or plot twists, it was a simple story about the Punisher working his way through the mob, and having to protect a couple of innocents along the way.

 

I'm happy that that this person so easily entertained. He's letting this movie off the hook in a huge way. Oh come on everybody, it's just supposed to be mindless comedic fun!

So what, the quotes on the DVD will read "Slapstick hilarity" "nonstop mindless entertainment" "Short on story but long on spectacular death".

These are not quotes I want to see describing a Punisher film, but somehow they seem to be accurate based upon the opinions of people who really enjoyed it.

 

Why is this finally a true Punisher movie:

 

1) Ray Stevenson - he looks and acts the part. Instead of trying to create and origin story, they start with the Punisher 5 years into his rampage. The flashbacks and narrative tells the viewer all they need about the origin. Just like the comics, he is sharp and professional about what he does. And like the comics, he is direct. He doesn't waste time setting the villains up, he simply takes them out with military precision & strategy.

 

The one thing almost everyone agrees on.

 

2) Interesting villains. Sure they are a little over-the-top, but they need to be to offset the darkness of the Punisher.

 

Again, a little over the top? They needed to be? Yes, think of it like a warner brothers cartoon. That's a Punisher film alright.

 

3) A director with the guts to show the Punisher as a relentless murdering vigilante. The previous Punisher movie tried too hard to make him a soft, sympathetic character, and dulled his violent edge. This movie displayed a Punisher that quite frankly, not everyone will like, but the same could be said about the comic.

 

I thought the previous Punisher movie was an origin. Sequel or reboot, it's pretty obvious that would have been addressed this time either way.

 

Congratulations, and thank you Lexi Alexander.

 

I don't want my money back because I had a good idea what I was in for, but still I was hoping against hope. I'm the sucker.

 

It's really a shame that so many critics are giving it such a harsh, unfair review. Either they were spoiled by The Dark Knight & Iron Man, or they've never read a Punisher comic. Probably both.

 

Yeah, probably both. Doesn't matter. It's a bad film, IMHO. That's why critics are being harsh.

 

If you like the Punisher comics, you will really enjoy this movie

 

This is where we really differ. I love the comics and I despised the movie. I went in ready to love it. I gave it every chance and it continued to fail me. The marching bit at the end was almost all I could take. I walked out feeling like someone punched through my face. *sigh*

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It'll be years before they make another Punisher reboot.

 

I think the only shot and best way to do things is an HBO series. It's probably the only way to go at this point.

 

 

I think if frank was to narrate it would make for a good movie, look at the end of janes movie where he narrates, worked well

 

 

 

going to see warzone tommarow, pumped

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who found the movie to be really terrible. I did try to give it a chance since I started reading the comics after the 2004 film. and I had an idea what warzone would be like from watching the trailers but I didn't think it would go beyond my expectations of horrible. Was it supposed to be a comedy?

 

I don't have a problem with violence but the visceral and blood were flying happily and freely from the beginning and throughout most of the film that it really got to be BORING and mindless by the time the finale happened. There was no buildup to the final fight as they didn't believe in leaving anything up to the imagination. I don't recall much of a story or any of the supporting characters as much as I recall the exploding heads and faces being caved in like doughnuts. It just gets so cartoonish after a certain point that you can't take the movie seriously anymore and there's nothing else left to do but laugh. By the time the Punisher faces Jigsaw, you just feel so desensitized by the blood and guts that were already being thrown around prior that when it ends you just think: oh. another death by perforation.

 

It felt like most of the film was about Jigsaw and his brother Looney Bin Jim and how stupid they were. I don't understand when they walk in slo-mo toward the widow's house. Was it intended to be cool? Because it was the most ridiculous and cliche thing they could have ever put in the film which was already bad enough. There's a part where Looney Bin Jim breaks and flips into all the mirrors at a hotel while a nu metal track plays in the background because jigsaw felt ugly. I think that scene just sums up how the rest of the film played out.

 

I read that a lot of people claim that Warzone is a lot closer to the origin of the comics. Why? Because it's set in New York? That's fine but if they're going to set the movie in New York, at least have it feel like it's New York. The accents were hard to listen to. They sounded like they were all trying to do their best impressions of a sopranos episode. You'd think the actors who played the villains would research it a little more since you have to listen to them for 90% of the movie. Not all new yorkers have to sound like they're from Staten Island or Brooklyn.

 

The 2004 version only featured one storyline from Garth Ennis and a few of the characters from the same storyline. Warzone features so many characters from the Max comics whose story arcs have nothing to do with the other that I don't see the point they had in including them in the film. There wasn't anything there to make you care for the protagonists. I guess Micro was a likable character but you don't see much of him and he's thrown out at the end. They attempted to make frank castle seem human around the little girl but if you can really kill so many people that the reports would fill up a whole basement in a new york city precinct in the short span of four years, would there be any humanity left to you at all?

 

I'm sorry. I didn't like Detective Soap and he doesn't work on screen. He was a silly character in the Marvel Knights stories and hard to believe. The few stories that I remember of him in the comics is when he gets drunk in a bar and ends up sleeping with a woman that's insinuated to be his mother and then he ends up being a porn star at the end of confederacy of dunces. That alone should prove that the character doesn't belong on film. When he whines his last line out at the end of Warzone it just feels so awkward that you have to accept Punisher Warzone as a parody because it can't be anything else but that. Sorry if I offend anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?c...=0&id=62557

 

This link that Nomad posted, cool little interview with Tim, but the first comment from Lexi really left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope her comment on "like Chris Nolan's Batman, but on a lower level" was her comment after reading the script and not before.

 

Batman may have the longer legacy going, but personally, I find the Punisher not only more entertaining, but an edgier and more emotional character. Tim has said it several times here and in interviews, but there are a lot of people who do not realize the Punisher is more complex than a guy with a skull on his chest shooting bad guys.

 

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Soap - I don't know why people are dogging on Soap soo much. I think he was one of the more accurately portrayed characters in the movie.

 

With Soap I think the problem really was the mannerisms that they decided to give him, where it just made him come off as having a some mild retardation. The one scene that I thought Soap was portrayed pretty good was when Budiansky first meets him in his office, if Mihok had played the character a little more like that I wouldn't have had a problem with Soap.

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ill be your friend :lol:

 

 

did you enjoy warzone?

 

I haven't seen it yet since it hasn't been shown on any theaters in my country (Uruguay).

 

I'm not too interested in watching it anyway so it's no big deal. I'll just buy the DVD for u$15 whenever it comes out then watch it once then never again.

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Also, take a gander at this. Another reason I believe Alexander did not fully get the character.

 

RS: What about The Punisher as a character? Does he have a code? Would he kill women and children?

LA: But yeah, and I do think he would kill a kid if the kid's out there pushing weapons or drugs. If he would see a twelve year-old at the school ground pushing heroin, he'd kill the kid.

 

Yeah, Castle would never kill a kid. He'd put the fear of God into the kid and make him simultaneously shit and piss himself, and he'd tell the little bastard that if he keeps going down that road he'll being seeing the skull in the future.

 

Marvel Knights issue 7 - 'Nuff Said.

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I think what came over as most obvious is that Lexi sort of gets it, but the movie was a mash-up of too many things, and nothing in particular. Earlier today I had an inspired rant that I wish I'd recorded because it included such things as Batman underoos, and who cares (or reports about) if hardcore Batman fans were whining about canon and motive when the audience for the $200m budget is 99.99% people who have never read a Batman comic but know that they see a shitload of merchandise in Wal-Mart.

 

I liked the movie for what it was and the closest thing to my opinion is the 411mania.com review.

 

I apologize unreservedly to all of the movie-makers and other film professionals on this board who know more than I do about these things, but I will be popping this in the DVD player and re-watching it more times than I watched the 2004 movie.

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Well dayum...you mean to tell me they wouldn't back TJ on that? And they thought the fans would go along with it? You know, this movie industry has turned into nothing but suits who don't know jack shit about making a great movie. Keep ignoring the fans and give them what you think we should have and we will turn our backs on your sorry asses in a heartbeat.

 

And you wonder why everybody is perfecting their home entertainment systems...who wants to go to a theater to see a bunch of bullshit?

 

Jeez...this is sickening.

 

Are you kidding me? The fucking morons at "other sites" have been lining up to lynch Jane for MONTHS. It's sickening. They completely bought into War Zone hook, line and sinker at the EXPENSE of Tom Jane. They are getting what they deserve with the quality of this flick (from the reviews feedback I have read).

 

Guys like me, who supported Jane, but were still hoping to see a good Punisher flick (thanking Jane for walking on a bad script HOPEFULLY revised into something worthwhile) seem to be the ones getting kicked in the nuts.

 

There are still Jane haters over at IMDB who are flapping their gums about the 04 flick? With WHAT to back it up? Horrible box office results? A SLEW of bad reviews with even the good ones siting the same problems.

 

I hate to go all TL on everyone and I am NOT SITING ANYONE WHO IS POSTING HERE.

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Are we going to play pretend and say no we did not expect them to do this to Jane? We fought the good fight...we defended and took on many idiots. I refuse to play into the IMDB skeez squad over there. They disrespect Jane and then roll to other sites acting innocent. Don't get it twisted; what has happened here is poetic justice, plain and simple. Like I said before, they insulted the real fans and this is the result.

 

Let the suits continue to get their Garanimals in a bunch and let them stew in it. I hope they rot in it. We were prepared to see Jane again...Jane said oh hell to the naw and bounced and rightly so. Let the suits get fired; they keep thinking they got creative juice and they don't. They never will. This is the wake up call and recognize that Jane was right and they were wrong. I am quite sure they tried their best but it failed miserably.

 

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm

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Wow, looks like this one will get the DVD Rental treatment for me. I've seen the '04 Punisher countless times, I think I might see PWZ just so I can actually have an opinion for the complete movie, and not just the footage and trailers. Thank you, Thomas Jane, for sticking to your guns and not making something you didn't believe in. I respect you more every day.

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Are we going to play pretend and say no we did not expect them to do this to Jane? We fought the good fight...we defended and took on many idiots. I refuse to play into the IMDB skeez squad over there. They disrespect Jane and then roll to other sites acting innocent. Don't get it twisted; what has happened here is poetic justice, plain and simple. Like I said before, they insulted the real fans and this is the result.

 

Let the suits continue to get their Garanimals in a bunch and let them stew in it. I hope they rot in it. We were prepared to see Jane again...Jane said oh hell to the naw and bounced and rightly so. Let the suits get fired; they keep thinking they got creative juice and they don't. They never will. This is the wake up call and recognize that Jane was right and they were wrong. I am quite sure they tried their best but it failed miserably.

 

 

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=punisher2.htm

 

 

 

I joined imdb first and consider myself a reg there, but I wouldnt say we deserve that kind of insult, I LOVE jane and his movie made me get into the punisher in the first place

 

 

I consider the 04 movie to be one of the most amazing movies of my years past, it was a fond memory

 

 

I hoped for more with warzone because I really like ray and wanted a more max like adaption, will I love this movie? yes, simply because ive put over a year of effort into this movie, and Im going to like it regardless

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I joined imdb first and consider myself a reg there, but I wouldnt say we deserve that kind of insult, I LOVE jane and his movie made me get into the punisher in the first place

 

This IMDB issue has been going on for quite some time, and without naming peeps, I stand by what I said. The Jane haters need to raise up off of Jane and understand his vision and his practice of professionalism and give him his props.

 

They won't, so it is a moot point for me and tomorrow morning the sun will still rise over there on IMDB and the hate will continue... :lol:

 

We're just having a discussion and that is what makes RAW great.

 

 

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I joined imdb first and consider myself a reg there, but I wouldnt say we deserve that kind of insult, I LOVE jane and his movie made me get into the punisher in the first place

 

 

I consider the 04 movie to be one of the most amazing movies of my years past, it was a fond memory

 

 

I hoped for more with warzone because I really like ray and wanted a more max like adaption, will I love this movie? yes, simply because ive put over a year of effort into this movie, and Im going to like it regardless

 

Andy,

 

If you chose to identify yourselves with folks who post things like X days until Jane humiliation, then that's cool. I think THOSE are the idiots Tiara and I are referring to, not folks like you.

 

Fact is there are a LOT of idiots over there that taint the waters.

 

We love you though.

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I know that guy, he's got a boner for Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem. Need I say anything more about that dick shit?

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