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The Punisher: WarZone


Tim Bradstreet

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It's really rather a shame that Kevin chose to go after Tom both verbally here at the forum and with this animated statement. Same goes for his attacks on Gale.

I understand some of it. Tom wasn't an angel during the changing of the guard. But Tom also made it very clear here that his issues weren't with the current regime of filmmakers, it was with the studio and it's direction for the film. Somehow Kevin decided to take that personally. It's one thing to be disappointed by someone you once appreciated to a great degree, to question their decisions or behavior, it's another thing to judge them and attempt to persecute them with insults. Instead of taking the time and effort to find clarity; to discover where Tom was really coming from, Kev reacted to comments he took at face value. Prior to Kevin's personal attacks aimed at Gale and Jonathan I had no issue whatsoever with him. But I found this method rather appalling. Hey, whatever, he's publishing his opinions and they are out there in public to be appreciated or criticized. Because I spoke out against his methods I became a target of his ire as well. You're either with him or your against him, there is no in-between.

With Kevin it's strictly pass or fail.

 

It's a pity really. Kevin talks long and hard about supporting something you believe in. Had he contained his reaction and discussed the situation realistically he could have had allies with us. Isn't that how you garner support?

 

In the scheme of things this whole Kevin ordeal is rather trivial. It's become a drama because Warzone has been such a heated topic where fans are concerned.

And I really despise drama of this sort. We've all got more important things to focus on. If Kevin wants to pursue making an enemy out of Tom or myself (or this forum), well, what can we do about it? If that's how he wants to focus his energy then he must have some to spare. I certainly don't consider the guy an enemy. I/We, have no axe to grind here. I attempted to be patient with this whole issue in hopes that Kevin might want to be amicable but after Trudell directed me to the animation Kevin created/posted I pretty much had to agree, we can no longer welcome him here. It's not a statement, I'm sure Kevin could give a toss if he's banned from RAW.

It's just that we're pretty much done with it.

 

Best to all -

- TB

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Nicely said.

 

yup im definitely starting to think this film will do pretty good...The tv spots have been killer!

 

I don't know about that, there is still the whole December/Alien vs. Predator: Requiem factor to think about.

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I don't see too much comparison between this and avp: crappy. They are both violent, R rated films, and that's about it.

 

The tv spots actually show the action, and brightened everything up. Avp was just dark, and you couldn't see anything.

 

Also, it came out near the end of December(25th I believe), and War Zone comes out the first week. Only 3 weeks to know for sure. I just have more faith in the people involved with this movie then avp. Those guys spent the whole time bitching about the previous one, and their's turned out even worse.

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Nicely said.

 

 

 

I don't know about that, there is still the whole December/Alien vs. Predator: Requiem factor to think about.

 

 

 

 

now your just getting a little rediculous......

 

 

 

did you forget they moved it to a point where no other movies like it would be playing?

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now your just getting a little rediculous......

 

 

 

did you forget they moved it to a point where no other movies like it would be playing?

 

That is true, but no other movies were playing against AVP: R either. And like I said before, both were/are released in December, are a bit of re-jiggering of a previous film, ultra violent. It's just something to think about, I mean Grindhouse was released during Easter and bombed. Violent or horror movies don't tend to do to well around this time.

 

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The good thing is that War Zone has a budget of only $30 million or something around there. It's not a blockbuster, and it doesn't need to make blockbuster like money. Avp was around $40 million for a budget, and it made well over $100 million worldwide. That's pretty good money(for a shitty movie)

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That is true, but it barely made back its budget domestically. And according to Hollywood that can considered a bit of bomb.

 

It's the same with the 2004 film, it made back it's budget and including foreign B.O. it made $54,700,105 and it was considered a box office bomb.

 

But you know whatever, people point the bad reviews for the 2004 film. But I'm sure what ever bad reviews come out for War Zone: Punisher they'll say the critics don't know shit, it's shit goes.

 

And just to hammer the fact home, I do understand that the 2004 film is flawed.

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Critics just seem to hate revenge flicks in general. They were way too hard on the punisher('04) and they'll butcher this one too. It's like the cool thing to do with these kinds of movies. Critics are only people like us, they only get payed for giving their opinion, for some stupid reason.

 

EDIT: Another fucking Saw movie coming out. Screw off already lionsgate.

 

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=8501

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Critics just seem to hate revenge flicks in general. They were way too hard on the punisher('04) and they'll butcher this one too. It's like the cool thing to do with these kinds of movies. Critics are only people like us, they only get payed for giving their opinion, for some stupid reason.

 

EDIT: Another f**king Saw movie coming out. Screw off already lionsgate.

 

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=8501

 

Let me add (OT from PWZ for a moment, please) that a few weeks ago I read a news blurb that a theater in Utah refused to show Zack and Miri Make a Porno - but had no issues ("no comment") for showing Saw 5,000. Whatever. I realize it doesn't really say anything about Lionsgate, but they do keep spewing those out ...

 

"Zack and Miri" Banned in Utah

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Violence is OK, but sex you dare not even speak of it.

 

What's funny though is I remember reading something that said that at the end of the fight the Russian in the 2004 film, blood was suppose to be spurting from the Russians eyes after being hit with oil and was cut because of the MPAA said it was too much. But apparently a fat man getting his head blown off is A-OK. The MPAA are just fucking weirdos.

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That poster does look cool in the theaters, kinda small though, not as big as it looks on the web.

 

 

AvP-R was rated 14A in Canada, I don't think we take creature violence seriously. I'm aware of the skinned body and exploding human heads, but they still released it as 14A here. The Saw movies have all been rated 18A (meaning anyone under 18 can see it as long as there's an adult with them). Can't remember what was the last true rated "R" film I seen here, think it was Texas Chainsaw Masacre (remake)

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That's the one.

 

After thinking about it, I think the movie will do fine, I don't think it's going to bomb. Just remember AVP: R.

 

I would rather that movie be wiped from my memory, as well as the first one. They need to make another stand alone predator movie to make up for the Danny Glover one.

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