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Will Lethal Weapon 5 be worth the $10?  

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  1. 1. Will you go see Lethal Weapon 5?

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Gibson's talent and vision as a director is not unlike the powers he displayed as a young actor.

Acting, or any vocation can lose a bit of it's shine from wear and tear.

 

The LW films are a perfect example of what happens when you do a project because it's worthy, then you do a few more because the experience and comaradarie was fun and worth the time. At the same time the vision and the purity of the films gets watered down because it becomes all about selling tickets. At the end of the day you gotta feel like you did the right thing but kinda wish you hadn't.

 

As a director, Mel has fuel, much as he did as a younger actor. He has fuel and fire. His talent as a director doesn't scare me, it excites the fuck out of me. Mel thinks old school, he's not about to give in to the bean counters and compromise his vision. Thankfully he's earned the power to do things his way. The Man Without A Face is a powerful debut. Mel shows infinite vision in casting too. Cause he's fucking smart. Braveheart proved he could take his game to an epic scale and deliver enough action and story to prove the doubters dead wrong. The Passion of the Christ was massively BRAVE, auteur filmmaking. I've still not watched it a second time (though I own it) because it effected me emotionally SO much. I was literally in tears, sobbing like my wife had been killed, sitting in my car after leaving the theater. I've never had a film hit me so hard in all of my experience. Apocalypto was again, brave filmmaking, no English, hell, it's so effective he could have done it without words. That's how powerful his narrative is. He knows how to tell a story and lead his audience through a catacomb of emotional peaks and valleys. These last few films are as anti hollywood as anything ever done. Gibson forsakes the formula so common to today's film product. Why? Cause he has no interest in it. It's all been done. His films are unique, stylish, powerful, bold, and courageous. You can definitely sense the inspiration from some of the masters he's worked with, most especially Peter Weir.

 

What else can I really say? If there are people out there that honestly believe he sucks as a filmmaker then I really lose a massive amount of faith in my fellow man.

Actually, I feel sorry for them. I can't for the life of me imagine what life must be like for people who don't have the ability to recognize and access these basic things.

For if people aren't able to invest themselves into something deeper than surface candy it is truly sad.

And the stuff (movies) of which I speak is simply a microcosm of a much bigger picture.

 

- TB

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Like I said in another thread I don't care much for Gibson as a director anymore. Braveheart I found myself revisting it less and less over the years, to the point I don't care to even watch it if it's on TV. The Passion of the Christ, Iagree it was a brave thing to do to make a movie like that outside of the studio system, call me a heartless heathen but I didn't care for it. 2 hours of a guy getting tortured to death, I surprised people didn't throw the "torture porn" label at it, oh hypocrisy isn't it wonderful?

 

As for Apocalypto I haven't seen it, probably will eventually.

 

The only reason I remotely cared for a Lethal Weapon 5 was because of Shane Black.

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The Passion of the Christ, I agree it was a brave thing to do to make a movie like that outside of the studio system, call me a heartless heathen but I didn't care for it. 2 hours of a guy getting tortured to death, I surprised people didn't throw the "torture porn" label at it, oh hypocrisy isn't it wonderful?

 

Torture porn? The context is 180 degrees different between TPOTC and Hostel.

If you see a correlation I wonder what you're smokin' ;)

I don't think there is a any real confusion between what Mel was doing VS what Eli Roth was doing, it's night and day.

It's like trying to find a correlation between Anal Intruders IV, and Last Tango In Paris.

Andrew Blake VS Bernaro Bertolucci.

 

I see what you are saying Mike, but I think your way far off base with that analogy.

Respectfully.

 

- TB

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Mike, your posts on The Passion are pure nonsense.

 

You keep talking about the film's graphic nature when in fact THAT IS NOT what the movie was about.

 

It was a story of brotherhood, family and faith.

 

The flashbacks of Jesus and Mary, of Peter, of Mary Magdalene, THOSE were the true colors of this beautiful and EPIC film we were BLESSED to see thanks to Mel Gibson.

 

The torture, the pain, the blood...All there to shock the audience into submission.

 

Something Mel does and then takes away with tender moments between a young man and his mother.

 

I cried like something came over me.

 

The whole theatre cried.

 

And it was watching Jesus' passion for his loved ones, that made me cry.

 

His pain just made me mad.

 

You need to re-evaluate this movie and renounce your poor image of its message.

 

-TL

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Mike is entitled to his opinion.

We can feel free to disagree with that opinion until the goats come home but it won't change his view of the film.

It effected us and many others in a powerful way.

It didn't effect Mike that way, which I think is too bad.

I like Mike's taste in films for the most part but no one is ever going to agree across the board.

I certainly don't think less of him because he feels as he does. TPOTC is a hard film to appreciate for some.

I hope he can watch it again with unbiased eyes at some point in the future.

Forget the religious fervor (and criticism) surrounding it's release, forget any other baggage that may have been harbored when viewed.

Maybe he'll eventually acquiesce. But no one can hope to control that but Mike.

Mike - Sorry for talking about you like you're not here, but I'm speaking at TL with this.

 

We could argue all day long about the extended torture.

I believe it was honest and uncompromising.

Unflinching brutality to be sure, yet likely not far from reality.

And I'm sure a lot more accurate concerning the last hours of Christ's life then anything we've seen on film before.

 

It's based on the true Passion Play. The Passion Play ONLY portrays the SUFFERING of Christ.

It is meant to bring what Christ did for our sins to the forefront.

Showing the brutality was essential to the message.

 

With films like Hostel, SAW, etc . . . The brutality serves no real or honest purpose but to entertain, frighten, or shock.

I personally have no problem with that. I rather liked Hostel. But these two visions of violence are diametrically different in their use and in their message.

 

- TB

 

PS - Mike - Hope you see Apocalypto soon. Missing it on the big screen is unfortunate but I guess DVD is the next best thing to being there ;)

 

 

 

 

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Richard Donner, who directed and produced all four "Lethal Weapon" films but found himself excluded from the recent plans to make a fifth, now says that his old friend Mel Gibson has walked away from the franchise revival.

 

"Mel turned it down," Donner said. "I would like to think that Mel turned it down because I wasn't involved. Knowing Mel, I would like to think that. Would that be the kind of thing he does? It sure would be."

 

Story continues:

Richard Donner says 'Lethal Weapon 5' is 'dead in the water'

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Yeah, we've been discussing Mel's departure all day.

 

-TL

 

I just posted the article, because it is interesting reading.

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So it's pretty much dead because they tried to cut out Donner. Too bad.

If Black's script was asskicking and Silver would have maybe invited Donner to the party as producer then perhaps they could have had the best of both worlds.

Silver wanted Black to direct which I'd have had no problem with. But you stepped on Dick Donner's toes man!

 

Donner is famously loyal to his friends and partners. I'm sure he took the exclusion as a stiff insult (obviously).

Maybe he would have been fine stepping aside as director if Silver had approached him like a man.

Hat's off to Gibson (also famously loyal) for sticking by his pal and opting out.

 

No Donner, no Mel, no movie.

 

Next stop for Joel Silver, the Leathal Weapon re-boot!

*Groan*

 

 

- TB

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So it's pretty much dead because they tried to cut out Donner. Too bad.

If Black's script was asskicking and Silver would have maybe invited Donner to the party as producer then perhaps they could have had the best of both worlds.

Silver wanted Black to direct which I'd have had no problem with. But you stepped on Dick Donner's toes man!

 

Donner is famously loyal to his friends and partners. I'm sure he took the exclusion as a stiff insult (obviously).

Maybe he would have been fine stepping aside as director if Silver had approached him like a man.

Hat's off to Gibson (also famously loyal) for sticking by his pal and opting out.

 

No Donner, no Mel, no movie.

 

Next stop for Joel Silver, the Leathal Weapon re-boot!

*Groan*

 

 

- TB

 

Hmm...how about a prequel..?

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  • 4 months later...
Screenwriter Shane Black tells Moviehole that he doesn't think a Lethal Weapon 5 will ever happen. Black had written a script for the fifth film that he was expected to direct.

 

The site says that a contact at Warner Bros. Pictures agreed with Black, saying "That one is as good as dead. It won't happen. Which is a pity," adding that Black's screenplay was "fabulous. A much better send off than [Number 4]."

 

Last October, Richard Donner was quoted as saying that "Mel [Gibson] turned it down. I would like to think that Mel turned it down because I wasn't involved. Knowing Mel, I would like to think that. Would that be the kind of thing he does? It sure would be."

 

Back then, Donner said he had his own version of the fifth film in the works. "Channing Gibson, who wrote the fourth one, and Mike Riva, a designer on three of them, and myself and Derek [Hoffman, an associate at The Donner Company] had an incredibly strong story for the fifth movie. But we weren't given the opportunity and I think maybe I could have convinced Mel to do it. But Warners chose to go with Joel Silver."

Source: http://www.moviehole.net/200918086-lethal-...-series-is-dead

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