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Yeah, a REALLY long time ago.

 

As far as I'm concerned, studios need to stop listening to people.

 

This whole "true to the comics" thing is fuckin dogmatic and narrow-minded.

 

Hensleigh makes a 70s movie and the purists shit all over him.

 

Lexi makes an 80s movie and the critics shit all over her.

 

I say fuck people and just do what you gotta do.

 

If the purists don't like it - FUCK 'EM.

 

If the critics don't like it - FUCK 'EM TOO.

 

-TL

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We still don't know what he thinks about Warzone.

 

Maybe that he don't simply want not speak on this topic, what I can quite understand.

 

 

In my case, I loved the work of Tom and J. Hensleigh. They have made great job ! We can applaud them !

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I really liked the punisher(2004) movie, but as a throwback to the good old 70's days. The new one is mostly an 80's type, with more gore. I'm not sure how that will turn out for sure, but I am really looking forward to it. I have a lot of faith in Ray now, after seeing a few things he was in.

 

I would still love to see a sequel to the punisher(2004) though. It would be awesome. And if Tom Jane ever reads this board again, I loved your performance of Frank, in the movie, and the game, and Gun as well. I'm looking forward to any future work, I'm a big supporter, and can't wait to see your future work. I was also extremely pissed when you left the punisher sequel, but you had good reasons.

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First, has Tim even seen the movie? Also, he's the ONLY one of us posting here that has a stake in it's positive success. The rest of us can shoot off any critical opinion we want without fear truly pissing anyone off. I am positive that once he has seen the movie...and maybe not until it is released in theaters, we will here the honest to God verdict of the movie.

 

I will tell you this, if I were to work on a shit film, you will NEVER see me criticizing it publically on the internet or any other forum.

 

Fred

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Well, Steve Gainer has a vested interest in seeing the movie do well too Fred, much moreso than Tim even.

 

Personally, I want it to do well. I hope it has a great opening weekend and finds it's fans. Whatever the situation with Lexi, and the film overall, I sincerely hope she's not getting screwed over.

 

I like the internet. Lots. I enjoy instant information at my fingertips. Just last week I downloaded a wiring schematic for a motherboard, and taught myself how to use a soldering iron by watching how to videos on youtube. I was able to do all the work myself and save quite a bit of cashola.

 

I mean, look what it did for the convicts AX in Bad Planet #5!! It worked BETTER!

 

;)

 

I don't miss the good ol' days. I appreciate having the internet as a tool for better living, and a source of free porn. It's important in life to have free porn.

 

What the fuck were we talking about?

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I don't get what the hell stuidos are looking at as far as critizism goes. Plenty of movies and characters have been butchered by " great new visions" that because of the internet, fans have acted against, yet the studios go ahead. I think it could just be a cop-out, because when it all comes down to it, I don't think that stuido heads care about comic book fans' opinions. Most of them assume that because "Character X" is in a film, the fan base will follow regardless. Once they have the money, it doesn't matter anymore, and hardcore fans will go to see it, either to rave about it or rant.

 

As for the internet, it's a double edged sword. Some things I love to see, like Tom in Hex make-up. That blew my fucking mind. Other times, I sucks when something important to a film is leaked and you know what's going to happen before you get in the theater, either by seeing it yourself, or that guy in the grocery store gabbing about it non-stop. (Sorry, I stand accused of that at least once)

 

From what I've seen, I like it, and some of it I don't care for. But, it's only clips. Anyone can take a shitty film, cut the good stuff together, and put out a cool teaser, just like anyone could take an amazing film, cut the bad stuff, and put out a shitty teaser. As a fan, all I know is that I'll be there in December to see what they've done with Frank, good or bad.

 

As for Tim's opinions, man, it sucks to be in his position. Just look at the "color" situation. Anything he says is ammunition, ready to be fired back at him, which is bullshit. Everyone has the right to their opinion.

 

 

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that's what you be doin now, goin in circles. they scratched up the film and toned down the print, which does make it better lookin an the violence is over the top and clown, and it's got vibe. but if you box a rat's ears and rattle him around in a coffee can for a while that rat will have vibe too - for about 90 secs. but you still got damaged rat. the LG has tight tricks but terminal.

 

There's an old saying in Hollywood. You can make a bad film out of a good script, but you can't make a good film out of a bad script.

 

Add to that

 

Don't piss down my back, and tell me that it's raining. - OUTLAW JOSEY WALES

 

And

 

Honey, that's like pouring perfume on a pig. - THEY LIVE

 

Reality is no matter how much you apply the 'fix it in post' mentality if it ain't on the page to start with it ain't gonna be on the final screen.

 

CHARACTER comes first, if you don't get that right then the rest is just fodder.

 

RAMBO worked because of character. WAR ZONE looks like a Troma production.

 

regards

 

Andrew

 

 

 

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The Janeman speaks the truth.

 

The Streetman speaks...I don't know what his point was.

 

We still don't know what he thinks about Warzone.

 

-TL

 

"The Streetman speaks...I don't know what his point was."

 

The point was that everyone was going crazy there for a second because of recent Lexi events.

Crazy I say!

And in my post-comicon exhaustion I was attempting to say, don't freak out . . . we really don't know what the deal is.

We don't know JS. Ahh fuckit, I don't know what my point was either ;)

 

"We still don't know what he thinks about Warzone."

 

That's because I haven't seen it yet.

 

- TB

 

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I don't mind not having Tom Jane anymore in the movie... nor do I mind not having the director back.... what I do mind is the violence. I'm not that strong when it comes to gore. Sure, I can see it in a MAX comic, but it's a comic. It' MUCH more different then seeing that live and on a giant ass screen. I can't deal with that. And I sure as hell would not want to go into a theatre and be surprised by all that violence to a point where I pass out.

 

:blink:

 

I'd love to see this movie do well. I love Frank, and I love Punisher. But you exclude a big amount of people with gore.... like me!

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Noeland, Yeah Gainer has a stake...and I didn't see him on here saying it sucks either. :) And the last time Street gave us an opinion, I believe Steve joined the board. :P

 

BP#5 was the SHIT! I have yet to find shit like that on the net...and even if I did, I'd have no idea how to decipher it.

 

JWeber, as for spoilers and the internet, I don't think many people accidentally run into spoilers on the net. They usually are poking their head where they shouldn't have been if they wanted to be surprised. And one of the WORST things about the internet is it gives a powerful voice to the vocal minority. I think a vast majority of the public will go see War Zone either not giving a shit or completely oblivious to everything that has happened to the Punisher from Lundgren to Jane and now to Ray. Hell, half of the kids wearing the cool little skull shirts attribute them to a gay gangster rapper anyway.

 

The idiot masses who shelled out huge dollars to see "Saw" will flock to War Zone...and I, most likely, will be with them. Unless Steve invites me to the premier and then FUCK THE IGNORANT MASSES, I'm gonna PARTY!!!

 

Fred

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Fred, luckily the folks here are good at giving spoiler warnings. I've read aricels on the net, trying to see who's in what and get a basic plot outline, and then they give away the end without warning. Or so and so gets killed off in the first 20 minutes. Otherwise, I agree with you.

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Fred, you constantly bring up how unprofessional and stupid it is to talk shit about certain aspects in the business.

 

With Jane you said "I'm sure he's too professional to talk bad about Warzone."

 

But the man's got too much heart to shut his face, so he's spoken quite a bit.

 

Same thing I would do.

 

With Street you say he shouldn't criticize the movie because its gonna fuck things up for him.

 

I think HONESTY can take you places Fred.

 

Sometimes its good to remember that God given all American right to have an opinion despite the repercussions of it.

 

Street has already made 2 posts here without addressing the issue at hand which is the "R" footage from SDCC.

 

Do I think his silence is noble? Fuck no.

 

Do I think his silence is out of fear of consequence from LGF? Fuck no.

 

I think Street's got a HUGE FUCKIN OPINION on what Warzone turned out to be and I think he needs to let us have it since for 9 months he let us have the over the top optimistic attitude about the film I fought against with every letter in my keyboard.

 

We know what kinda film Lexi has made and we know that's why the studio kicked her to the curve.

 

YES STREET - WE KNOW.

 

If we didn't, 99% of Online critics that have seen the SDCC footage wouldn't be tearing the film apart.

 

Let us have it Street.

 

That whole "I haven't seen the whole movie" Pepsi challenge isn't your style.

 

You're an opinionated guy, and I enjoy hearing what you have to say.

 

Don't allow Fred to be right about your silence.

 

-TL

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Fred, you constantly bring up how unprofessional and stupid it is to talk shit about certain aspects in the business.

 

With Jane you said "I'm sure he's too professional to talk bad about Warzone."

 

But the man's got too much heart to shut his face, so he's spoken quite a bit.

 

Same thing I would do.

 

With Street you say he shouldn't criticize the movie because its gonna fuck things up for him.

 

I think HONESTY can take you places Fred.

 

Sometimes its good to remember that God given all American right to have an opinion despite the repercussions of it.

 

Street has already made 2 posts here without addressing the issue at hand which is the "R" footage from SDCC.

 

Do I think his silence is noble? Fuck no.

 

Silence hasn't got a thing to do with it. I'm barely back from the show, I've only just posted my comments about the week at SDCC.

Me and a few friends watched the violent footage only last night. I need to watch it a time or two again to put it in perspective.

Ray really was hoping I'd come to the panel so I could see that. He told me a story about it. Gale was at an IFC fight and that music came over the loudspeakers.

The crowd went APESHIT, like it's some kind of theme music for IFC, singing along with it etc . . .

That's why they secured the rights, they thought it would attract that crowd and thought it was perfect for the footage, which is kind of a Punisher Extreme music video.

More on this later . . .

 

 

Do I think his silence is out of fear of consequence from LGF? Fuck no.

 

Right, of course not.

 

I think Street's got a HUGE FUCKIN OPINION on what Warzone turned out to be and I think he needs to let us have it since for 9 months he let us have the over the top optimistic attitude about the film I fought against with every letter in my keyboard.

 

Over the top optimistic attitude? You make it sound like I've been carrying the flag ;)

I've said I'm not against this film, and have leant my support.

 

We know what kinda film Lexi has made and we know that's why the studio kicked her to the curve.

 

YES STREET - WE KNOW.

 

If we didn't, 99% of Online critics that have seen the SDCC footage wouldn't be tearing the film apart.

 

How do you KNOW that the 80's action tab and the violence is what made "the studio kick her to the curve."

You meant curb right? These stylistic markers are very basic things that the studios would have been aware from watching the footage long ago.

Are you really so sure about this?

 

Let us have it Street.

 

That whole "I haven't seen the whole movie" Pepsi challenge isn't your style.

 

You're an opinionated guy, and I enjoy hearing what you have to say.

 

Don't allow Fred to be right about your silence.

 

-TL

 

Fucksakes TL, let the kid decompress from the show a bit ;)

I think Fred's off-base but I think you are on this subject as well.

Once I've digested what I've seen I'm more than happy to share my thoughts.

But understand this too. I'm not going to be able to base a real opinion about this movie from quick clips and trailers.

I can tell you if it excites me or not, but the jury is out until we see these things in the context of the film itself.

That's the way it is for me anyway. And not just Warzone, ANY movie.

Eat a pizza, fuck your girlfriend, stand by . . . .

 

- TB

 

 

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TL doesn't eat pizza. Suggest some boiled chicken breast. It's more feasible for his ass.

 

 

 

 

I'm gonna need some more 80's footage from this film.

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Most movies do Mikey. At this point though, I'm feeling pretty negative for reasons I've thoroughly expressed. Score. Gore. Fuckin whore. There was no need for the whore comment but it rhymed. So yeah same shit that drives me crazy.

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TL, it's called not burning bridges...

 

Usually a good thing in any professional environment.

 

And Tim, I'm not trying to insinuate that you secretly hate War Zone and are just being polite. I'm saying that it's like if your wife asks you if she's fat. I mean, she's your wife...even if you say she isn't can she REALLY believe you? So why fucking ask.

 

Fred

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Well I would think that if you spent as much time interacting with people with the movie business like Street has, you would know when the right time to judge a film was. It seems like we all have been judging wayyyy to soon whether our opinions are positive or negative, myself included.

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TL, it's called not burning bridges...

 

Usually a good thing in any professional environment.

 

And Tim, I'm not trying to insinuate that you secretly hate War Zone and are just being polite. I'm saying that it's like if your wife asks you if she's fat. I mean, she's your wife...even if you say she isn't can she REALLY believe you? So why fucking ask.

 

Fred

 

Roger that, I appreciate the clarification.

 

OK, TL, eat a nice piece of grilled fish, make love to the consenting female of your choice and stand by . . . .

 

- tb

 

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Oh, but first I want to give my thoughts on that music thing.

 

Is it really true that the score is being dropped?

If so that is very disappointing, on paper anyway.

If the score is weak or doesn't fit then I get it, but I would still stick with a score because this is an adventure/crime/whatever you want to call it type of film.

Or at least it is in my mind. I would be taken out of the movie entirely if they go with a nu-metal soundtrack, ICK.

This is a film right? Even video games have scores!!! Would be nice if the film was elevated with an honest to God film score composer.

 

I'd love to hear what Christopher Franke did. The only solo score I've heard of his was Universal Soldier in the context of the film and I remember nothing about that. But as a fan of Tangerine Dream I am super curious.

 

God I would have LOVED to have been the music supervisor on a Punisher film.

I guarantee that the vibe, the tone, and the menace would have seethed through from beneath a corrosive, bleak underscore to the bombastic fury of the fight/chase/action scene stuff, with a memorable main theme. Imagine Adam Jones from Tool composing for a full orchestra.

Damn the luck.

 

But first things first. Has anyone caught anything official about the fate of the score for Warzone?

 

- TB

 

 

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