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If I was a reg, or friend, with mike would me calling him retarded (like thats a serious personal attack, its more of a childish taunt at best) be any different? of course it would, and even though I seem to have "sand in my vagina" I didnt mean to offend anyone so you can take my apology if you would like it

 

 

anyways, anyone else watch the interviews? any thoughts

 

 

 

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So anyway, the official site has been very very slightly updated today. They have added more to the cast and crew section, including the star, Ray. I don't know why he is just added now, along with Lexi, but whatever. It's something, but they really should have had all of this stuff, and more, ready long ago, like at least a month. It's just almost pointless to add stuff now. Anyway, I rambled on long enough. :)

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So anyway, the official site has been very very slightly updated today. They have added more to the cast and crew section, including the star, Ray. I don't know why he is just added now, along with Lexi, but whatever. It's something, but they really should have had all of this stuff, and more, ready long ago, like at least a month. It's just almost pointless to add stuff now. Anyway, I rambled on long enough. :)

 

Although I think LGF is doing a smashing job on the ad campaign, the website is a continual disappointment. Some thought went into the design, but not into the content.

 

Yes, on 24 November we FINALLY have Ray Stevenson listed as a cast member. But they mixed part of Dominic West's bio with Ray's, crediting Ray with being in The Wire! :lol::lol::lol: The pictures were too little, too late, and trying to build a forum should have started the day the website went up, not in October 2008!

 

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We're all hypocrites whether we would admit that or not. I know I've railed about a certain subject before and then changed my mind. I have absolutely no problem eating crow (and chasing it with Wild Turkey). If it's a subject/character/project I'm passionate about then I like to share my feelings whether positive or negative. And as such I'm speaking to the material, not questioning someone else's like or dislike for it.

 

I don't think changing your mind as new information develops makes you a hypocrite. Seems it just means you're a SMART guy. Those who REFUSE to change their minds when presented with new information are called "prejudiced".

 

Fred - The argument that necessitated your post was deleted. The ensuing backlash (including your post) was no longer relevant to what survived the edit. Please take solace in the fact that your comments were heard by the member they were directed at.

 

- TB

 

And the intent was not to start a flame war. Apologize if it did though I did not see any responses if they were posted. I'm just frustrated with the fact that THIS THREAD seems to be drawing so many people to RAW ONLY for this thread...and it is the shittiest thread on this site HANDS down.

 

With so much cool stuff coming out of RAW like Bad Planet, Dark Country et al it seems a shamed to have so much bandwith wasted on this endless debate. This thread has chapped my ass for a LONG time. I cannot WAIT for DEC 6 so it can just fucking die.

 

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Tim, every time I read one of Joe's posts, Gene Pitney's theme song to The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance starts playing on my computer. Is anyone else experiencing this?

 

What's going on?

 

That's fucking priceless ;)

 

- TB

 

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We're all hypocrites whether we would admit that or not. I know I've railed about a certain subject before and then changed my mind. I have absolutely no problem eating crow (and chasing it with Wild Turkey). If it's a subject/character/project I'm passionate about then I like to share my feelings whether positive or negative. And as such I'm speaking to the material, not questioning someone else's like or dislike for it.

 

I'm well aware that I am a hypocrite, just saying.

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I'm well aware that I am a hypocrite, just saying.

 

 

;)

 

Yeah, for me it's "I don't like this (random element) in THIS film, but maybe it works in another film I DID like."

Then people call you on it and sometimes you have no rational explanation as to why it worked in one but not the other.

All you know is what appeals to you yourself.

 

I can talk all day long about how I hate popcorn blockbuster bullshit, then I go see something like Armageddon with my 15 year old nephew and my criteria changes.

The circumstances of my viewing are now altered and I'm not taking it so seriously. You just sit back and enjoy the ride. Had I seen the film under different circumstances I'm not so sure I'd have enjoyed it to the extent I did.

 

- TB

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I can talk all day long about how I hate popcorn blockbuster bullshit, then I go see something like Armageddon with my 15 year old nephew and my criteria changes.

The circumstances of my viewing are now altered and I'm not taking it so seriously. You just sit back and enjoy the ride. Had I seen the film under different circumstances I'm not so sure I'd have enjoyed it to the extent I did.

 

- TB

 

I'm kinda the same with Armageddon, you got Peter Stormare as a pissed off Russian astronaut and Steve Buscemi with space dementia, that helps alleviate some the big ridiculousness in the movie. As bad as Bay's movies tend to be, at least he knows what kinda of movie he's making, big retarded action.

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And the intent was not to start a flame war. Apologize if it did though I did not see any responses if they were posted. I'm just frustrated with the fact that THIS THREAD seems to be drawing so many people to RAW ONLY for this thread...and it is the shittiest thread on this site HANDS down.

 

With so much cool stuff coming out of RAW like Bad Planet, Dark Country et al it seems a shamed to have so much bandwith wasted on this endless debate. This thread has chapped my ass for a LONG time. I cannot WAIT for DEC 6 so it can just fucking die.

 

Hi Fred, I personally came here because the Steve Gainer post got a bit of attention on the net, and at a time when there was bugger all PWZ news. That so many people hung around to post can probably be tied directly to the endless pages of TL bashing the film, and its cast. And in return the endless pages of TL baiting (He was just too inviting not to TBH)

 

On a positive, before that I had never heard of RAW Studios, I wouldn't have heard (at least not yet) of Give em Hell Malone or Dark Country, and you can't knock a bit of free publicity. It was also pretty cool to find out that I was reading the thoughts on PWZ from the likes of Tim Bradstreet and Tom Jane so that kinda kept me hanging around a bit.

 

But after PWZ drops in Dec? I guess there will be a few "I told you so" type posts from one side or the other (probably both!) Then I presume posters will enjoy a bit of debate on what went right/wrong with the movie, there's also going to be some Tom Vs Ray debate (isn't there always?).

 

At which point The Management will probably call "Last Orders" on this thing, moderate it down to 3 pages of genuine discussion and archive it for prosperity. Amen

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Hi Fred, I personally came here because the Steve Gainer post got a bit of attention on the net, and at a time when there was bugger all PWZ news. That so many people hung around to post can probably be tied directly to the endless pages of TL bashing the film, and its cast. And in return the endless pages of TL baiting (He was just too inviting not to TBH)

 

On a positive, before that I had never heard of RAW Studios, I wouldn't have heard (at least not yet) of Give em Hell Malone or Dark Country, and you can't knock a bit of free publicity. It was also pretty cool to find out that I was reading the thoughts on PWZ from the likes of Tim Bradstreet and Tom Jane so that kinda kept me hanging around a bit.

 

But after PWZ drops in Dec? I guess there will be a few "I told you so" type posts from one side or the other (probably both!) Then I presume posters will enjoy a bit of debate on what went right/wrong with the movie, there's also going to be some Tom Vs Ray debate (isn't there always?).

 

At which point The Management will probably call "Last Orders" on this thing, moderate it down to 3 pages of genuine discussion and archive it for prosperity. Amen

 

Now THIS is a success story! Glad you're digging the site.

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But after PWZ drops in Dec? I guess there will be a few "I told you so" type posts from one side or the other (probably both!) Then I presume posters will enjoy a bit of debate on what went right/wrong with the movie, there's also going to be some Tom Vs Ray debate (isn't there always?).

 

 

See you're right about this but the thing is "I told you so" is kind of bullshitish if you think about it. What is "I told you so" in this particular case? After the movie is released, it's to each his own. I use that particular quote in regards for FACTS. The only facts we can pull off of this movie is box office numbers by the end of the weekend if someone is debating whether War Zone is gonna bomb or kick ass. I think it's gonna be ridiculous if someone is gonna come back here taking pride in how they thought the movie would suck and ended up being right about their opinion and trying to bring it out as a fact for the movie because some of us are gonna like it and some of us are gonna hate it. To each his own. Like I said you're right, it's definitely gonna happen, but I think it's happening the wrong way.

 

It's kind of a lose/lose situation if you will I think.

 

 

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Right there with ya Raf. Great post.

 

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing the film finally, and discussing it with everybody here. Not too worried about the negative shit, we'll weed it out and deal with it.

 

Though things can get a little messy in this thread, it still has some very cool insights and insiders points of view posted. I love that Steve stepped in, I love that folks are passionate about this medium of storytelling, because I love movies, heart and soul.

 

What does bug me a bit is folks only posting in this thread, and missing out on some of the other great discussions going on board wide.

 

 

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Oh I fully agree Noe. I think the one thing over here is that many people are taking shit too personal here. We should be having fun here and not lose sleep over some negative post guys.

 

 

People need to explore RAW. It's not War Zone Studios, it's RAW Studios ;)

 

I personally try to spend some time in about 4 or 5 different threads whenever they're updated out of the hundreds that we have and I don't think I'm exploring enough myself. Sky's the fucking limit over here at RAW. It's a wonderful website and I think it can even change who we are for the better if we let it. There isn't just talk here, there's some kick ass opportunities if you apply yourself.

 

I get motivational when I'm on my way to the gym, can't you all tell? :D

 

Well I'm gonna go make a protein shake and head on out to fuck with some iron!

 

-Raffi

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What does bug me a bit is folks only posting in this thread, and missing out on some of the other great discussions going on board wide.

 

Sorry to be bugging you Noeland ;)

 

But you kinda have to come in the door thats open. In this case it was the link on the web to this particular thread. After a while I gave up typing "Punisher Warzone" into Google and hitting "News" and just popped in here as most of what I was looking for was here, discussed and dissected. And as I said, by people I knew of.

 

To be fair, since I came here regarding the PWZ story, I kinda feel like it would have been a little crass to start popping up with comments all over the place. It's a bit like walking into a party and making your way uninvited to where all the cool kids are hanging out, and then butting in on the conversation! ( I did have a quick post in another thread, felt a bit silly, and promptly buggered off again (Its amazing how paranoid you can get on the internet!))

 

But now that I have an invite, I'll have a good nosey around!

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Well, it's not the only posting in this thread so much as the missing out part that I think about.

 

I certainly don't think you should feel that you can't get involved in some of the other discussions simply because this thread is what brought you here.

 

In fact, you should feel free to start discussions in other areas of the forum if you have a subject you want to chat about.

 

:)

 

GET IT OUT OF MY HEAAAAAD!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here's the first review (that I know of), it's from Newsarama. Be warned, it ain't pretty.

 

 

http://www.newsarama.com/film/081125-punis...one-review.html

 

Here is the good news for Frank Castle fans. Punisher: War Zone is far and away the best movie based on Marvel Comic' vigilante anti-hero The Punisher to date.

 

Of course, anyone who has cable-surfed upon the 1989 Dolph Lundgren embarrassment or was re-gifted the DVD of 2004’s Thomas Jane vehicle The Punisher knows that’s a backhanded compliment if ever there was one.

 

War Zone is a relentlessly grim and unapologetically violent mess of a movie that pays tribute to comic book creators Garth Ennis and Tim Bradstreet's dark, twisted take on the character as well as give the cinematic finger to the first two films. But it’s still not very good.

 

Whereas the last Punisher movie was set in Tampa, this one takes place in New York City (although not much appears to have actually been shot here). There isn't a palm tree in sight. Frank Castle's come home.

 

Here, Castle’s origin (told in brief flashbacks) is faithful to the one in the comics. A picnic in Central Park with his wife and kids, they stumble upon a gangland execution and are taken out. Only Frank survives, to wage his own one-man war on crime.

 

During one scene deep into the film, an FBI agent asks a detective in a room crammed with thousands of cold case files, which ones are related to the Punisher. “They all are,” says the detective.

 

Ray Stevenson (“Rome”) has the right size and look of Frank Castle. He doesn’t say a word until nearly 30 minutes into the movie, and when Stevenson does finally talk, you realize why we were getting the silent treatment. He can’t hide his Irish accent! It pops in and out to the point of distraction.

 

The story begins with the Punisher all but wiping out the last big Mafia family. The only one left is pretty boy Billy Russoti, played by Dominic West (“300”). Horribly disfigured in a piece of factory machinery after trying to escape from Castle, Russoti quickly loses whatever marbles he has left and in one of those painfully obvious moments clumsy filmmakers use to get their points across, decides to rename himself ‘Jigsaw'.

 

Castle meanwhile, is ready to hang up his skull shirt after accidentally killing an FBI undercover agent during one of his mob raids. Of course, the agent had a young daughter and beautiful wife (Julie Benz), so a guilt-ridden Punisher resolves to keep them safe from Jigsaw.

 

Also along for the ride is Micro. Wayne Knight fits the bill perfectly here as Frank’s arms supplier and intel provider. The film could have used more of his casual banter with Frank. That’s what made Micro so important to the Punisher comics of the early 90s. Alas, here the character is underused.

 

As Jigsaw, West - a Brit - fares even worse than Stevenson at hiding his accent. Either his agent has a great sales pitch or the casting director of War Zone really likes “The Wire.” Why else would you cast an English actor who can’t disguise his accent for such a distinct role as a New York crime lord?

 

West doesn’t help his cause by cribbing every single bit of Hollywood Goombah Gangster shtick for his role.

 

Jigsaw’s bad guy mojo is actually lifted completely by his off-his-rocker brother, Looney Bin Jim (Doug Hutchison). He’s the kind of guy who, before breaking out of the sanitarium, stops for a snack. And by snack I mean the liver and intestines of the hospital attendant.

 

Remember how Jeffrey Wright stole the bad guy spotlight from Christian Bale in the remake of “Shaft,” forcing the director to reshoot the ending to focus more on Wright’s character, Peoples Hernandez? That’s what should have happened here. Looney Bin Jim was much more interesting than this Jigsaw. Too bad director Lexi Alexander didn’t see that or the many holes in the screenplay.

 

Then again, she had other things on her mind, like saving her job.

 

Alexander was reportedly fired from the project this past summer during postproduction. Whether or not it’s true, her name is still on the credits. And she does craft some clever action sequences, such as the mob mansion massacre at the start of the picture.

 

The bloodbath at the end of the film in an abandoned hotel (a nice tip of the hat to Tim Bradstreet) gives “Rambo’s” big finish a run for its money in terms of sheer sadistic mayhem. Body parts explode, bullets tear down walls, heads crack walls...the violence reaches almost cartoonish levels. Castle shoots, stabs, and even rocket-launches his way through a huge chunk of the New York underworld.

 

War Zone features people getting their necks punctured by wine glasses, elderly people getting machete-d in half, internal organs being ripped out by hand, and human bodies literally being exploded onscreen. It revels in its goriness. Yet the film still received an ‘R’ rating, from the same people who nearly gave ’s “Zack and Miri Make a Porno” an ‘NC-17’. Hmmm...

 

With a body count teetering close to triple digits and a handful of scenes that will force you to look away from the screen, Punisher: War Zone is the Punisher Max the diehards have been waiting for (FYI, the Marvel Knights logo shows up in the opening credits).

 

Will they like it? Only if they can ignore the lazy script and the sub-par acting. For those who don’t follow Frank Castle’s comic book exploits, War Zone doesn’t figure to be high on their holiday movie season watch list.

 

Because despite improving on the first two Punisher films, the third time for Frank Castle was not the charm. In fact, it wasn’t much good at all.

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Sorry to be bugging you Noeland ;)

 

But you kinda have to come in the door thats open. In this case it was the link on the web to this particular thread. After a while I gave up typing "Punisher Warzone" into Google and hitting "News" and just popped in here as most of what I was looking for was here, discussed and dissected. And as I said, by people I knew of.

 

To be fair, since I came here regarding the PWZ story, I kinda feel like it would have been a little crass to start popping up with comments all over the place. It's a bit like walking into a party and making your way uninvited to where all the cool kids are hanging out, and then butting in on the conversation! ( I did have a quick post in another thread, felt a bit silly, and promptly buggered off again (Its amazing how paranoid you can get on the internet!))

 

But now that I have an invite, I'll have a good nosey around!

 

This is the direct link to the front door -

 

http://rawstudios.invisionzone.com/

 

Looking forward to your thoughts on other threads. There's lots if interesting artwork posted, for one thing. And there are threads for all kinds of movies, new and not so new. Go for it.

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"ignore the lazy script and sub-par acting..." That is funny, and really a huge issue with this entire thing. Let's see, Thomas left, even with having a say in the script; and, despite the script issues with 04, who could possibly deny the man's talent? Just seems to make more sense to stick with an actor that delivers--every time--and work out the script issues, rather than put together a movie that takes some pretty serious hits in its' first review.

 

i did love the nod to the MPAA's issues with sex vs violence, that was funny and still a troubling issue after all these years of movie-making.

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Here is the good news for Frank Castle fans. Punisher: War Zone is far and away the best movie based on Marvel Comic' vigilante anti-hero The Punisher to date.

 

Does this mean that anyone who enjoyed Punisher 04 is gonna be blown away?!? Somehow I doubt it, but it gives me renewed hope. The bit about Ray struggling with the accent is a bummer, and Dominic West not nailing his accent? Well he sounded a bit odd during the trailers, but when I first watched The Wire I wasn't even aware that he was British. I should be able to spot an English accent, being English and all!

 

 

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