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Aren't there already background checks done with purchace or is that just in the West?

Have gun shows been a loophole somewhere? If so, it's news because it seemed mandantory.

 

We know this isn't going to get solved here (or there), it's taking a predetermined course regardless (of whatever bickering goes on amongst us here). Everything has a glitch though and informing each-other is paramount. I'm learning more about this here. The thing about household goods was a subject that I started to go off on too, but then thought it was too much. It's true though, people will always find a way to do what they want somehow.

 

 

I didn’t know about the lack of proper background checks; I still don't know everything. I’m learning a lot about this topic in this thread, as well.

 

http://www.washingto...6b712_blog.html

 

 

I only mentioned the household goods because I keep seeing it happen on my local News; people are blowing up mailboxes for some stupid reason.

 

wow! i've read everything on this thread time and again since it started...didn't want to post anything though...it's amazing what one can see from the cheap seats...magnify what happened here...from the few to the tens, hundreds, thousands so on...muddied waters! am i being vague, or do you get my point?

 

So, you commented about not commenting? :D I like your style. This is definitely one of the most serious discussions we've ever had; and it's only happening everywhere simultaneously.

 

Pushing for Gun Control

 

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=18402767

 

 

 

I do.

 

It's an issue easy to get passionately worked up about and difficult to climb down from.

 

 

I’m passionate about passion. ;)

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Theres alot of miss information out there where guns are concerned,as a result certain politicians have used that bad info to build a fear into non gun owners regarding the purchaseing process and what a weapon can actually do..I.E. grande launchers and other stupid crap that to the average person not in the know sounds reasonable.For the gun owner we know that almost everything thats being pushed is absolute crap.Given the fact that this adminastration seems to not be able to act on anything yet managed to hyper engage the new gun laws should cause concern for everyone,They've blamed guns,They've blamed our entertainment for being to violent.make no mistake the 1st and 2nd amendment are at risk here for real..Thats no fabrication,it's not fear mongering,it's real.And theres enough evidence out there to raise the question of what exactly did take place and why is it being pushed by the media so hard yet nery a mention of mental illness and how we should look at this problem with a fresh new approach I'll tell you why,There's no money in it big pharm needs to keep you doped up thats where the cash is at so politicains won't touch that with a 20foot pole,it's worse than big oil..So they talk you into feeling bad about yourself for not taking action over Sandy Hook they sway your opinion on gun ownership in this country sway your opinion on our entertainment and before you know it you've gone right along with what they've wanted you to.It's a mass mindfuck and people just let it happen pretty soon they will censor what you can say becuase you've gone along with the whole influence that videogames and movies can have deal..Just look at all of the info that Tom has brought forward here..People need to talk about this people need to question this.Sandy Hook was a terrible tragedy but what has followed in it's wake will begin the unraveling of our freedoms as we know it..Fight,think,learn,share..Live free.

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when are going to learn to start rigorously questioning the motives and operations of our Gov't, as they are occurring?

 

VA MUST DISCLOSE VETERAN DRUG TEST DOCUMENTS

http://www.courthous...07/23/48617.htm

 

is it really so crazy to believe that we might be deploying the secret mind control drugs that the Military developed during Vietnam?

 

TRUE: Secret Mind Control Drug sounds about as far out as it gets. sounds fucking nuts, to be honest. but there it is. the VA has finally been forced to admit that yeah, we have been into fucking with Mind Control for quite a while. and yeah, we tested that shit on our own soldiers.

 

once you swallow that onion, it's not a giant leap of faith that they might be using it on our own citizens - if it means furthering an agenda.

that's what war is all about right?

 

funny how little press this stuff gets.

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as far back as ww2 they did chemical tests in lake erie(canadian side) to use agaist the nazis!

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Noeland answered the loophole question quite well:

 

There is no gun show loophole. It's a complete myth fabricated by the media and politicians. I have been to hundreds of gun shows in my life, in 5 different states. I have bought and sold guns at gun shows, and over the internet many times, and you MUST use an FFL transfer to do it, and an FBI background check is done. You can't purchase a gun over the internet without going down to your local gun shop, pulling an FFL and sending it to the sellers gun shop, and the two shops handle the transfer and it's all logged with the FBI. You can't go pick up that gun you bought online, or at a gun show, without an FBI background check being done. It takes about 10 minutes over the phone for the shop or FFL holder to call the FBI. They run an NCIC criminal records check before they say yes or no. This is done today with a few keystrokes. And I have been at a gun shop before when it came back no for other people. An older fellow in Georgia was waiting to buy a lever action rifle. It came back no. He left without a gun. THAT system works just fine.

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TJ’s tweet must’ve brought in many guests; I haven’t seen this place so populated at once in awhile.

 

 

Can we deny that our entertainment is too violent? Can anyone really say there’s nothing wrong with a young kid playing Call of Duty video games & loving it? I won’t attack any opinions given (if any) responding to these questions. All comments are welcome.

 

when are going to learn to start rigorously questioning the motives and operations of our Gov't, as they are occurring?

 

VA MUST DISCLOSE VETERAN DRUG TEST DOCUMENTS

http://www.courthous...07/23/48617.htm

 

is it really so crazy to believe that we might be deploying the secret mind control drugs that the Military developed during Vietnam?

 

TRUE: Secret Mind Control Drug sounds about as far out as it gets. sounds fucking nuts, to be honest. but there it is. the VA has finally been forced to admit that yeah, we have been into fucking with Mind Control for quite a while. and yeah, we tested that shit on our own soldiers.

 

once you swallow that onion, it's not a giant leap of faith that they might be using it on our own citizens - if it means furthering an agenda.

that's what war is all about right?

 

funny how little press this stuff gets.

 

 

By the time I find out about important events in government, I feel like it’s after the moments occur. How can we question motives/operations as they are happening if we don’t know what’s happening? Should we mistrust every story with holes & government official?

 

Secret mind control drugs -- So crazy, but it doesn’t mean they haven’t been put to use on citizens. How would a person know if his or her mind has been controlled, though?

 

I definitely see a pattern. There are too many blanks that the mainstream media won’t fill in for us. It’s nothing new really. & I doubt this way of reporting info will change. Now, imagine for a second that there is no Internet. Just imagine it….How would that make you feel?

 

If fear is what they want to instill, then they’re getting what they want. The gun debate is causing a panic.

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"We are the Federal Government; we can do what we want, when we want, and there's nothing you can do about it."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFALonjLay0&feature=share

 

thanks Mike Hess for the vid

 

Thank you, Mike (& Tom)! Very informative.

 

 

This used to be America. Now, it’s not.

 

What is it?

 

Conducting such an intrusive way of handling an investigation is shameful. Quite a waste of time/money to use all of those agents.

 

 

The issue is there is absolutely no consequence for bad government action.

 

Where does it stop when powerful people can do anything they want?

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i've been texting with some friends in florida and we don't know if anyone has come up with this...quick solution to the firearm ban...why don't the government and pharmaceutical companies just come up with a pill for gun control? just a thought... ;)

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Because, just like the pill for Birth Control, insurance will not cover it ;)

 

Seriously though, pharmacutical and insurance companies (like Adam has mentioned) are some of the most corrupt industries out there. They literally profit from peoples pain and suffering and are not affraid to bleed you dry. It was a joke when they tried to discredit Canadian pharm companies when we were talking about letting in drugs from the North. My wife works in health care, and it drives her nuts knowing that most women can not have the birth control pill covered (even though it has other health related uses) yet Viagra is covered. But, look at the target market for Viagra, of course it's covered.

 

Same with asthma inhalers. My wife used to pick them up in Mexico for less than $10 off the self, yet here you need to pay for an office visit because you need an Rx, then pay in the range of $80-$125 for the inhaler. Someone up top has it figured out, and they keep the politians paied to not interfear, because if they did, those multi-million dollar bonus checks would get smaller.

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c'mon, the perfect name for it would be oxy-moron! coming soon from the government near you! THE NEW PILL OF RIGHTS!

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Lemmie tell you ladies and gents something about gun control...something a lot of people with an open mind already know:

 

Take away firearms, and it won't make a god damn difference and here's why....

 

...Like people buying drugs illegally from the wrong people, the same will go for guns.

 

If a man or woman has it in them to want to kill a person, they'll find a way to get a gun. It doesn't have to be purchased by retail. There's a lottttttttt of bad people out there selling guns under the table and don't ask questions to their clients. It's as simple as that.

 

These dipshit political dumbfucks think that taking this right away is going to minimize crime? It's a fucking crock. It won't make a difference.

 

There are many other ways to kill a person to top that all off... a killer is a killer is a killer. They'll find a way to do it with or without a firearm. People are smart enough to chemically create weapons with cleaning solutions and cooking products that can do more damage than a gun. What's next? No more Pine-Sol because someone found a way to make a weapon out of it?

 

All of this shit going on - The Sandy Hook, The Colorado theater shooting, the veteran killed by a fellow PTSD soldier in the gun range - it's all conspiracy and hoaxes (in my opinion), there's a enough out there to prove it to be such.

 

It's easy to sell a staged situation to a narrow mind, and much of this country (with my respect to all of the full-blooded hardcore americans who shit red white and blue) doesn't open up their eyes. People believe anything they hear without needing enough evidence to be convinced.

 

Insurance is a fucking government scam too....In many countries over seas, health insurance doesn't exist....in China, if you go to the doctor, they just fix you and send you on your way. They will only charge you if NOTHING is wrong with you.

 

My father and mother grew up in Iraq, where till this day, health insurance doesn't exist...if something is wrong with you, you go to the docs, they do their thing, and send you on your way...weather it be a physical, prescription of meds, scans of any kind, and surgery...if it needs to be done, it'll get done. No fuckin insurance, no medicaid, no co-pays, nothing.

 

How about them apples?

 

-Raf

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Lemmie tell you ladies and gents something about gun control...something a lot of people with an open mind already know:

 

Take away firearms, and it won't make a god damn difference and here's why....

 

...Like people buying drugs illegally from the wrong people, the same will go for guns.

 

If a man or woman has it in them to want to kill a person, they'll find a way to get a gun. It doesn't have to be purchased by retail. There's a lottttttttt of bad people out there selling guns under the table and don't ask questions to their clients. It's as simple as that.

 

These dipshit political dumbfucks think that taking this right away is going to minimize crime? It's a fucking crock. It won't make a difference.

 

There are many other ways to kill a person to top that all off... a killer is a killer is a killer. They'll find a way to do it with or without a firearm. People are smart enough to chemically create weapons with cleaning solutions and cooking products that can do more damage than a gun. What's next? No more Pine-Sol because someone found a way to make a weapon out of it?

 

All of this shit going on - The Sandy Hook, The Colorado theater shooting, the veteran killed by a fellow PTSD soldier in the gun range - it's all conspiracy and hoaxes (in my opinion), there's a enough out there to prove it to be such.

 

It's easy to sell a staged situation to a narrow mind, and much of this country (with my respect to all of the full-blooded hardcore americans who shit red white and blue) doesn't open up their eyes. People believe anything they hear without needing enough evidence to be convinced.

 

Insurance is a fucking government scam too....In many countries over seas, health insurance doesn't exist....in China, if you go to the doctor, they just fix you and send you on your way. They will only charge you if NOTHING is wrong with you.

 

My father and mother grew up in Iraq, where till this day, health insurance doesn't exist...if something is wrong with you, you go to the docs, they do their thing, and send you on your way...weather it be a physical, prescription of meds, scans of any kind, and surgery...if it needs to be done, it'll get done. No fuckin insurance, no medicaid, no co-pays, nothing.

 

How about them apples?

 

-Raf

What I don't understand is if you work and can't afford the health insurance and you have to go to the hospital and then they pentalize you for not having insurance. It makes no sense to me if they can't afford the insurance how the hell are they going to pay the pentalizing fee. It just makes totally no sense, but thats the government for you they never make any sense in anything they do.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkZ9HnMLKXg

 

here's a very in depth look at Sandy Hook - it's long but for anyone interested, it's very informative and thought provoking.

personally i reserve judgment at this time, other than there is definitely something off about the whole screwy thing...

It makes you wonder did it happen or not it makes me sick to think it never happened and using children as pawns. And the parents that where smiling after there children where killed just totally not right. I understand people deal with grief differently but I have known people who have lost children and my sister is one of them my 10yr.old nephew was a victim of a hit run accident. He died at the hospital in my sisters arms. And not once did she ever smile or laugh none of us did. She and my brother-in-law where so grief stricken. All us thought are hearts where being ripped from are chests. My family has seen alot of death and 3 of the people taken from us where children. So to me this just doesn't seem right.

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here's an analysis of how the 'gun grab' seems to have backfired badly - or goodly depending where you stand.

more than 300,000 new members have joined the NRA!

 

 

"In essence, the American people

bought nearly every gun available anywhere in the country, leaving gun store shelves empty.

The upshot of all this? 10+ million new firearms in the hands of citizens and a one-year backlog of gun orders with manufacturers."

 

my favorite part:

"Imagine Piers Morgan picking up an AR-15 the day after the Sandy Hook shooting. Never would have happened, right? Or imagine Obama allowing himself to be photographed shooting a shotgun. These images would have been unimaginable mere weeks ago, but the gun grab push has backfired so completely that even the Second Amendment's most outspoken critics are practically lining up to be photographed or filmed shooting guns."

 

 

Don't Tread on Me !

 

http://www.naturalne...ed_America.html

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my favorite part:

Imagine

 

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here's an analysis of how the 'gun grab' seems to have backfired badly - or goodly depending where you stand.

more than 300,000 new members have joined the NRA!

 

 

"In essence, the American people

bought nearly every gun available anywhere in the country, leaving gun store shelves empty.

The upshot of all this? 10+ million new firearms in the hands of citizens and a one-year backlog of gun orders with manufacturers."

 

my favorite part:

 

"Imagine Piers Morgan picking up an AR-15 the day after the Sandy Hook shooting. Never would have happened, right? Or imagine Obama allowing himself to be photographed shooting a shotgun. These images would have been unimaginable mere weeks ago, but the gun grab push has backfired so completely that even the Second Amendment's most outspoken critics are practically lining up to be photographed or filmed shooting guns."

 

 

Don't Tread on Me !

 

http://www.naturalne...ed_America.html

Well I can't say to much about the NRA my 2 brothers and 4 of my nephews belong to it. And one of my nephews has an AR-15 he only target shoots with it. But you are right about the photo of the president if he were to shoot that gun the way he was holding it he would of hurt himself. And my one nephew said when he went to a gun show last weekend he waited almost an hour to get in and when he did get in he said you could barely move there was so many people there. To me this is only causing major chaos.

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the way he's mashing that gun to his head i bet he's never shot skeet in his life.

 

No kidding ! He'd have Oakley cuts all over the place !

 

Speaking of...

this woman is awesome

 

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to the day !

 

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I'm betting that most of the people reading this thread have never heard of Operation Northwoods, or Operation Mongoose, or The Cuban Project. Maybe you remember it being mentioned in JFK? Which played fast and loose with the facts.

 

Northwoods in particular is a long term false flag operation that is not a conspiracy, it's a declassified, on the books covert op. Kennedy nixed it, and never went ahead with it. The outline is pretty horrific stuff that includes hijacking civilian planes and flying them into buildings. It includes public mass shootings, car bombs, and even CIA agents dressed in Cuban military uniforms invading Miami.

 

So when people ask me "How can you buy into that bullshit?" I always tell them "I'm not buying into anything, but listen, it's possible and here is why." I have read some of the declassified covert operations. That stuff is very real. Go. Look them up. There are many declassified ops from years past that will sound very familiar to you today.

 

But, being declassified, it works both ways right? The "bad guys" can read that stuff just as easily as we can. And it's not out of the question that a disturbed person can perpetrate a tragedy on a large scale all by him or her self.

 

There will always be questions about timing, and motive, and strange people in the aftermath doing strange things. Because some times the covert ops happen after an event, using the event as cover. Seriously, research it.

 

So that's why I try to keep an open mind about it all, and hopefully filter some truth out of it. Like I said, personally I would prefer if the children from Sandy Hook were not real, and no kids were killed that day.

 

"In essence, the American people

bought nearly every gun available anywhere in the country, leaving gun store shelves empty.

 

I have 4 gun shops near me, about 10 places to buy guns and ammo overall including Wal-Mart. Three independently owned shops that I frequent, and one has a range I shoot on. None of them have ever been out of stock on ammo or firearms. Just this week I purchased ammo. There is plenty of 9mm, and 30-06, and 223. ammo. It's just more media scare tactics IMHO, when you hear about shelves being empty all over everywhere. Now, yes gun sales have soared beyond what anyone expected, but none of the gun shops here in Akron were ever once out of stock on guns or ammo.

 

Also, I recently had a cousin who nearly died, and my Mom and I had to go up north to Northern Michigan for a few days. I hit both Jays and Cabela's in Michigan and they were all stocked up. No empty shelves to speak of.

 

Also of note, but not reported are the sales of gun safes, lock boxes, and trigger locks. People want guns, and they want to keep them safe. Two of my local gun shops are sold out of safes, and these are not inexpensive items.

 

I've heard rumors too that there has been a rationing of ammunition on the distribution and dealer level, and some of the store owners are pulling stock and keeping it for themselves in the event of an ammunition tax, or ban.

 

Something else interesting happened after the ammo rumors started. Well interesting to me anyway. Rare ammo started to become available again. Oddball calibers I have not seen on store shelves in over a decade are now sitting next to the common stuff again.

 

My local Walmart pulled their stock of firearms and ammo and kept it all in the back for a few weeks after Sandy. But it's all back out for sale again now.

 

Tom, that's a great article on Natural News too. Such a great site.

 

The push for gun control, however, has spectacularly backfired. In reality, it has hardened the positions of gun rights advocates while massively increasing the number of AR-15s and other firearms sold across the country.

 

 

I have a fear that, if there is a plan, that this might be part of the plan. If that makes sense. Don't know how, don't know why, but something in my guts tells me that this reaction, this "panic" that the media claims is happening now for people to buy up guns like crazy will be used later on in some terrible fashion after it's been accepted by the mainstream.

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Also something of interest, considering all the rumors of Obama asking military leaders if they are willing to fire on Americans, and branches of the military publishing letters saying they support the second amendment.

 

The Secret Service disabled the rifles the Marines carry for the inauguration. The M14's all had their bolts removed.

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/disabled-marine-rifles-at-inauguration-signal-shift-administration-policy

 

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Man look at that..I've been told there's some interesting shit being written into some new immagration legislation regarding the governments right too seize people,property,weapons,and general assets in times of war and peace..i want to see that piece of proposed bullshit legislation..

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